Genocide, but everyone actually is trying their best to stop you.

[Terry C]

I want to start by saying, I'm NOT saying that Undyne The Undying is lazy or selFISH, neither am I saying that Sans doesn't care about his brother. I have (an) opinion(s) on that, but that's a thread for another day.

In genocide route, it is noticeable how little there is that's actually a threat to you. Truly, Undyne The Undying and Sans are all The Underground has against you. But, monster vs. Determination rarely ends just how the monster wants. But what about an alternate universe where everyone is hellbent on killing you? I bet this has been done before, but I just thought I'd put it out there!

EDIT:

An example of what i'm thinking would be if Asgore absorbed the human souls in order to stop you, rather than try to use peace. Another one would be is Papyrus a totally activated The Gauntlet of Deadly Terror to stop you.

[ventus925]

Perhaps the closest example of this is something such as Underfell (one of the numerous AU's of Undertale).

[Soundless1997]

Technically, some of the monsters you face in battle are already that way. They know that Asgore has six human souls so they are fighting the protagonist to help their king obtain the seventh and final soul.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by Soundless1997:

Technically, some of the monsters you face in battle are already that way. They know that Asgore has six human souls so they are fighting the protagonist to help their king obtain the seventh and final soul.

Right, (e.g RG01, RG02) but I mean an AU where, say, Papyrus, truly activates The Gauntlet of Deadly Terror in order to defeat Frisk, and Undyne is called to Snowdin by Sans, and before Frisk kills Papyrus, Undyne takes the blow and becomes Undyne The Undying, and Sans stands with her, stating, "You were going to have a bad time, anyway, so why wait?" (Battle against true heroes plays)

Just throwing ideas out there. And thank you for the input!

P.S also, Asgore absorbs the human SOULs early (similar to Unitale Asgore, but he does it when Alphys calls after Undyne the Undying and Sans' defeat in Snowdin and hunts Frisk down.) Also, Toriel would fight to kill Frisk in this alternate universe.

[Smithsiblings4]

The problem is that a lot of the monsters aren't strong enough to do anything to you. Undyne already does her best to stop you when she can, but in-case you don't remember, she dies in one hit, and only survives and turns into Undyne the Undying because of her determination. And even then, it wasn't enough to stop you. Sans doesn't bother fighting you unless and until he sees you as a threat to the entire world. The reason for this is that he knows the world will just reset anyways, but he's not sure if it can be reset if it gets destroyed.

Another example of a monster who tries his best to stop you is Mettaton. Mettaton transforms into a fully weaponized mode, known as Mettaton NEO, and tries to stop you, but you kill him in one hit too. The problem isn't that Sans and Undyne are the only ones who try to stop you, it's that you get too powerful to be stopped. With all the grinding you do, you get to a point where you're basically Saitama.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

The problem is that a lot of the monsters aren't strong enough to do anything to you. Undyne already does her best to stop you when she can, but in-case you don't remember, she dies in one hit, and only survives and turns into Undyne the Undying because of her determination. And even then, it wasn't enough to stop you. Sans doesn't bother fighting you unless and until he sees you as a threat to the entire world. The reason for this is that he knows the world will just reset anyways, but he's not sure if it can be reset if it gets destroyed.

Another example of a monster who tries his best to stop you is Mettaton. Mettaton transforms into a fully weaponized mode, known as Mettaton NEO, and tries to stop you, but you kill him in one hit too. The problem isn't that Sans and Undyne are the only ones who try to stop you, it's that you get too powerful to be stopped. With all the grinding you do, you get to a point where you're basically Saitama.

Yes, but tbh very few monsters are hellbent on stopping you. I'm not saying that Undyne, Sans, Mettaton, etc. aren't, but I just would like to see a world where no monster is neutral about it, rather, they are all trying to stop you directly. (See examples in original post) but thank you for the input!

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

The problem is that a lot of the monsters aren't strong enough to do anything to you. Undyne already does her best to stop you when she can, but in-case you don't remember, she dies in one hit, and only survives and turns into Undyne the Undying because of her determination. And even then, it wasn't enough to stop you. Sans doesn't bother fighting you unless and until he sees you as a threat to the entire world. The reason for this is that he knows the world will just reset anyways, but he's not sure if it can be reset if it gets destroyed.

Another example of a monster who tries his best to stop you is Mettaton. Mettaton transforms into a fully weaponized mode, known as Mettaton NEO, and tries to stop you, but you kill him in one hit too. The problem isn't that Sans and Undyne are the only ones who try to stop you, it's that you get too powerful to be stopped. With all the grinding you do, you get to a point where you're basically Saitama.

Yes, but tbh very few monsters are hellbent on stopping you. I'm not saying that Undyne, Sans, Mettaton, etc. aren't, but I just would like to see a world where no monster is neutral about it, rather, they are all trying to stop you directly. (See examples in original post) but thank you for the input!

They are trying to fight back. You’re supposed to be an overpowered jerk demolishing the weak monsters. You’re leveling up so you can curb stomp them like you would in another RPG. To the point where you keep grinding even though you don’t need to.

Undertale also rubs it in worse, because there’s only one boss on the Genocide route actually worth overleveling for.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Yes, but tbh very few monsters are hellbent on stopping you. I'm not saying that Undyne, Sans, Mettaton, etc. aren't, but I just would like to see a world where no monster is neutral about it, rather, they are all trying to stop you directly. (See examples in original post) but thank you for the input!

They are trying to fight back. You’re supposed to be an overpowered jerk demolishing the weak monsters. You’re leveling up so you can curb stomp them like you would in another RPG. To the point where you keep grinding even though you don’t need to.

Undertale also rubs it in worse, because there’s only one boss on the Genocide route actually worth overleveling for.

Right. You become an unstoppable killing machine which can destroy everything in your path. But in the alternate reality I'm talking about, things would happen like Sans fights Frisk in Snowdin. And although the enemies are fighting back, they are all not going AFTER you. I'm talking about FIGHTing to kill you, rather than FIGHTing you to stay alive.

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

They are trying to fight back. You’re supposed to be an overpowered jerk demolishing the weak monsters. You’re leveling up so you can curb stomp them like you would in another RPG. To the point where you keep grinding even though you don’t need to.

Undertale also rubs it in worse, because there’s only one boss on the Genocide route actually worth overleveling for.

Right. You become an unstoppable killing machine which can destroy everything in your path. But in the alternate reality I'm talking about, things would happen like Sans fights Frisk in Snowdin. And although the enemies are fighting back, they are all not going AFTER you. I'm talking about FIGHTing to kill you, rather than FIGHTing you to stay alive.

1. Sans fighting Frisk in Snowdin is something that happens in two AUs that I know of. Dusttale (except in that story it's Chara, not Frisk) and The Thought (that one AU where Sans absorbs the human souls and becomes a god)

2. The monsters are already fighting to kill you, rather than fighting to stay alive. In case you don't remember, they're the ones who attack you. Even in the genocide route, the monsters are all trying to attack Frisk, rather than Frisk trying to attack them. This is implied by the exclamation mark that appears over Frisk's head whenever they encounter a monster, which changes to a smiley face once Frisk starts hunting the monsters deliberately.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Right. You become an unstoppable killing machine which can destroy everything in your path. But in the alternate reality I'm talking about, things would happen like Sans fights Frisk in Snowdin. And although the enemies are fighting back, they are all not going AFTER you. I'm talking about FIGHTing to kill you, rather than FIGHTing you to stay alive.

1. Sans fighting Frisk in Snowdin is something that happens in two AUs that I know of. Dusttale (except in that story it's Chara, not Frisk) and The Thought (that one AU where Sans absorbs the human souls and becomes a god)

2. The monsters are already fighting to kill you, rather than fighting to stay alive. In case you don't remember, they're the ones who attack you. Even in the genocide route, the monsters are all trying to attack Frisk, rather than Frisk trying to attack them. This is implied by the exclamation mark that appears over Frisk's head whenever they encounter a monster, which changes to a smiley face once Frisk starts hunting the monsters deliberately.

Wait, are you implying that Frisk is justified in killing? That it's all just self-defense? Cuz, I mean, I agree that alot of it is self defense, that is, until you start grinding encounters.

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

1. Sans fighting Frisk in Snowdin is something that happens in two AUs that I know of. Dusttale (except in that story it's Chara, not Frisk) and The Thought (that one AU where Sans absorbs the human souls and becomes a god)

2. The monsters are already fighting to kill you, rather than fighting to stay alive. In case you don't remember, they're the ones who attack you. Even in the genocide route, the monsters are all trying to attack Frisk, rather than Frisk trying to attack them. This is implied by the exclamation mark that appears over Frisk's head whenever they encounter a monster, which changes to a smiley face once Frisk starts hunting the monsters deliberately.

Wait, are you implying that Frisk is justified in killing? That it's all just self-defense? Cuz, I mean, I agree that alot of it is self defense, that is, until you start grinding encounters.

Well yeah, it's in self defense until you start grinding. Once you start grinding, you're just killing everything for the sake of it, but if you're fighting back against random encounters, in which the monsters are trying to kill you too, then yeah, it's technically self defense.

Of course, Papyrus isn't trying to kill you in his fight, but him and Toriel are the only monsters in the underground who don't try to kill you when they fight you.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Wait, are you implying that Frisk is justified in killing? That it's all just self-defense? Cuz, I mean, I agree that alot of it is self defense, that is, until you start grinding encounters.

Well yeah, it's in self defense until you start grinding. Once you start grinding, you're just killing everything for the sake of it, but if you're fighting back against random encounters, in which the monsters are trying to kill you too, then yeah, it's technically self defense.

Of course, Papyrus isn't trying to kill you in his fight, but him and Toriel are the only monsters in the underground who don't try to kill you when they fight you.

Wait, what about Vulkhin, Whimsum, and Shyren? In Shyren's fight, the narrator says that she was hiding in a corner, but encounters you anyway. Also, narrator sometimes says that you trip over Moldsmal, but it could've intentionally gotten in your way, so I won't count Moldsmal

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Well yeah, it's in self defense until you start grinding. Once you start grinding, you're just killing everything for the sake of it, but if you're fighting back against random encounters, in which the monsters are trying to kill you too, then yeah, it's technically self defense.

Of course, Papyrus isn't trying to kill you in his fight, but him and Toriel are the only monsters in the underground who don't try to kill you when they fight you.

Wait, what about Vulkhin, Whimsum, and Shyren? In Shyren's fight, the narrator says that she was hiding in a corner, but encounters you anyway. Also, narrator sometimes says that you trip over Moldsmal, but it could've intentionally gotten in your way, so I won't count Moldsmal

Whimsum most likely attacks you out of fear. Encountering a creature you've never seen before, which could potentially kill you could be scary. Idk why Vulkin attacks. As for Shyren, that's a good point. Though, I'm not sure if that one is entirely Frisk's fault either, as Frisk will encounter Shyren even if they stay away from the corners of the room.

[Terry C]

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Whimsum most likely attacks you out of fear. Encountering a creature you've never seen before, which could potentially kill you could be scary. Idk why Vulkin attacks. As for Shyren, that's a good point. Though, I'm not sure if that one is entirely Frisk's fault either, as Frisk will encounter Shyren even if they stay away from the corners of the room.

Mainly, I believe that every word the narrator says is gospel in that game (except in true lab, when they seem confused) but Vulkhin isn't attacking you intentionally, CHECK states that he thinks his lava can heal, then he says, "I'll help, healing magmas!" Or something like that. Although the monsters enter a FIGHT with you, I don't think that they all are trying to kill you (and, of course, the main characters that aren't: Papyrus and Toriel) EXCEPT in CORE where EVERY MONSTER THERE is a mercenary specifically hired to K I L L you...yeah I believe all of that is self-defense on Frisk's part. IMO

[Casual Amateur]

Monster is not perfect. Monster can be worst in a different way. Even some monster still end up hurting you and when they not trying to. That could end up kill you any way. Kinda like So Sorry.

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Originally posted by Terrarimcraft:

Wait, what about Vulkhin, Whimsum, and Shyren? In Shyren's fight, the narrator says that she was hiding in a corner, but encounters you anyway. Also, narrator sometimes says that you trip over Moldsmal, but it could've intentionally gotten in your way, so I won't count Moldsmal

Whimsum most likely attacks you out of fear. Encountering a creature you've never seen before, which could potentially kill you could be scary. Idk why Vulkin attacks. As for Shyren, that's a good point. Though, I'm not sure if that one is entirely Frisk's fault either, as Frisk will encounter Shyren even if they stay away from the corners of the room.

I pretty sure that Vulkin think that can heal people. But end up cause harmful to Frisk any way.