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thepicgamer Nov 1, 2018 @ 10:55am
(spoilers) Deltarune ending discussion
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Originally posted by tikiman572:
I'm off the school of thought that we're dealing with an alternate universe here as well. Things are similar in nature to what has gone on in Undertale but there are noticeable differences, as other people have mentioned, such as Undyne having both of her eyes, Gerson being dead, etc.

The obvious point of contention, however, is the ending. That, is gonna be one helluva can of worms to dive into. So, let's dive into it.

We see Kris rip their soul out, against their will, and throw it into a cage before menacingly brandishing a knife and looking up towards us with red eyes. Obviously, Chara has entered the fray, and this doesn't bode well for the timeline that is Deltarune, as well as all other timelines. As Chara mentions in the end of a Genocide run, they're going to purge this timeline, and then move on to the next. Well, guess we've found out what the next timeline was. What's interesting is that one would've thought Chara would just hop from timeline to timeline after being awoken and just steamroll everything with their murderous power. But seeing this ending? I think individuals who went with a Genocide Ending, and then bargained their soul to Chara just fell for one helluva Batman Gambit.

What I'm suggesting is that after a Genocide Ending and the whole black screen waiting thing is happening, Chara is finishing up obliterating the timeline, and then attempting to move on to the next one. Except they find they can't; even their power has its limits despite knowing about alternate timelines. If Sans were alive, perhaps Chara could've wrested the knowledge on how to jump to an alternate timeline from him. But since that wasn't the case, and everyone else was gone? Chara was screwed. Until they noticed that the player, the entity in control of Frisk, was still here. Being able to jump freely as they please through time without some sort of aid was out of their reach, but they somehow knew one way, and it would involve the player and Frisk.

By buttering up the player and goading them into selling Frisk's soul to Chara, they've essentially turned Chara into a temporal version of Miang from Xenogears. Where Miang could manifest herself in any female on the planet, Chara, because of the bargain that was freely made with the player, can now manifest themselves in ANY variant of Frisk across the various timelines. Though much like Miang only being able to manifest in one woman at a time rather than going full Agent Smith on Fei and friends with the entire female population of the world, it would appear, for now at least, that Chara can only be in one Frisk variant at a time. Otherwise, I'm sure they'd just coup de grace all the timelines at once.

One must wonder if whether or not a single person out there did the Genocide route or, rather, not shown that they did it to the world at large, whether this series of events would've happened. That perhaps because certain players did this, it's essentially screwed with EVERYTHING and that even those of us who never hurt a single person in our playthroughs must now come to grips that because Chara was shown to have awoken in but a single person's playthrough, everything is screwed. Perhaps that's what Deltarune is going to explore: how you fix that one monumental mistake that was made, even if you, yourself, did not make it.

And then, on the sidelines, Gaster himself will be watching how we go about this with great interest. Shattered across time and space as he is, he's got a front row seat to watch ALL of this at once and take notes on it all. Is he looking for a way to fix things? Or is he just an impartial observer, like a true scientist? Who can say?

That was a lot, but using the info on hand, I think it's a good line of thinking to go on until we find out more.
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Meteor Nov 2, 2018 @ 10:51pm 
I like the idea that Kris removed you from control so that you couldn't stop them from eating the entire pie.

I also like the idea that while Kris is a near anagram for Frisk. The person your playing as is the Chara of this world (Living with the dreemurs, Red eyes, not the nicest person). Also while kris looks at the screen menancingly at the end, we didn't hear any demented music or laughing so they might not be entirely evil. I mean, if you had being inside you forcing your decisions and actions wouldn't you want a break from it?

And there is that cage with the bloodstain near it. Was it ever mentioned that the Dreemurs had a bird or was that cage built to contain something else?

Anyways we most likely won't get a real answer for years to come. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Toby included that ending as just a spooky scene considering the demo was released on Halloween.
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rorgfist Nov 3, 2018 @ 3:47am 
First things first, remember that chara doesnt exist in deltarune.

Second, if your soul is the source of your determination, removing your soul will make you easier to control, not the opposite, so it makes 0 sense.
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JelliedKnife Nov 3, 2018 @ 4:15am 
Originally posted by rorgfist:
First things first, remember that chara doesnt exist in deltarune.

Second, if your soul is the source of your determination, removing your soul will make you easier to control, not the opposite, so it makes 0 sense.
well yeah, whatever was possessing Kris at the time would get partial control at night, when he's sleeping, and then rip out the soul so that Kris would be easier to control.
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JelliedKnife Nov 3, 2018 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by JayCee:
Originally posted by rorgfist:
First things first, remember that chara doesnt exist in deltarune.

Second, if your soul is the source of your determination, removing your soul will make you easier to control, not the opposite, so it makes 0 sense.
well yeah, whatever was possessing Kris at the time would get partial control at night, when he's sleeping, and then rip out the soul so that Kris would be easier to control.
to add: If you're asleep, I'd assume you'd be more suseptible to control since your brain is turned off, essentially. The possessor wouldn't have complete control however, since your soul is still working, hence the slow shuffling during the ending. The possessor then puts of his energy into caving into your chest cavity and tearing out your soul, then imprisoning it, as the soul can move freely on it's own, hence all of the combat scenes in UT and DR. With that out of the way, the possessor has complete control. It seems that it has complete motor control, with it's ability to hold objects, turn it's neck and move facial muscles, with holding the knife, looking at the camera and smiling menacingly being the examples, respectively.
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rorgfist Nov 3, 2018 @ 4:59am 
yes, it could be the case.

It makes sense.
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Flika1999 Nov 3, 2018 @ 8:42am 
I think the fact that in the ending you look directly into the camera, breaking the 4th wall, is a sign it's the same chara form the previos game, since it seems to know you.
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Kenshiro Nov 3, 2018 @ 9:20am 
My personal imho:

The game is alternate universe, where there was no war or monsters won that one easly. Everyone You know is different, Undyne has both eyes, old turtle has their grave (no mentioning of a hero if I recall), Alphys is just a simple teacher, as well as probably hitting on Asgore, which here too, is divorced with Toriel. Seems like Asriel is alive in this time line, but seeing Susie reaction to his doppelganger might hint that Asriel doesn't have to be at university but somewhere else, maybe not even alive.

Moving on, the famous Chara taking control of Kris' body on the end of Chapter1. I'm not sure if it's actually Chara taking control of Kris. As well it might be Kris regaining His own control over His own body, by ripping the soul (us, the players) out of His body... not for the first time it seems. But that's how I see it, since many NPCs point out, how Kris is out of His character when we are in control of His body, especially that in the darkworld, Kris gains a colors that easly make us yell FRISK! So it all comes to how each one of us perceive this event. Is it Kris or is it Chara, is it the first time it happened in this "timeline" and is the birdcage just in such state because of constant repeatition of throwing yet another player back there? Who knows.

Seems sans is the only real connection between Undertale, us and Deltarune. His grocery store looks like stolen Grillby's, with ans add after the 'S and rest scratched out. Also, I support a bit of theory it's sans from genocide undertale and Papyrus might be dead, sadly. I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT THIS BEAST WOULD BE ABLE TO BE CONTAINED IN A WOODEN CABIN. UNDERGROUND WAS FULL OF HIM AND I REFUSE TO BELIVE, HE'S BEEN LOCKED AND DIDN'T FIND A WAY OUT TO GREET THE WORLD, SUN AND KRIS WITH HIS PRESENCE.

So yeah, in summary, Kris might be Kris, not Chara, regaining control and wanting some pie. After all, it's just menacing smile and red eye, not Chara like creepy face. It's similar but not necessarily the same. From all we know also, Kris isn't a very nice boy like Asriel, so intimidating red eye and knife for some pie slice would fit Him? I think?
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GrandTickler Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:23am 
i feel like its a straight up prequel since the monsters are still living above ground, the gate towards the 'underground' is south of town, sans just moved to town and barely knows anyone yet and his bro papyrus is still needing friends. i feel like part 2 or 3 will show us how the humans started the war with the monsters and chased them away.

the main character has always been a quiet creepy kid doing weird things (u find out by talking to everyone in town) so maybe Chara has been with you since birth, you banish him/her by going trough the pacifist run in undertale but in deltarune its still there in full force
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Kenshiro Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:24am 
If It's prequel how do You explain existence of characters that shouldn't be there and their differences?
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GrandTickler Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by Kenshiro:
If It's prequel how do You explain existence of characters that shouldn't be there and their differences?
which characters are you referring to?
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Kenshiro Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:39am 
Almost everysingle one. Asriel is apparently alive, Toriel, Asgore, Alphys, Undyne, Catty and Betty are totally shifted things, ableit similar, it is like it cannot be neither before nor after the war or underground sheningans.
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thepicgamer Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by Kenshiro:
Almost everysingle one. Asriel is apparently alive, Toriel, Asgore, Alphys, Undyne, Catty and Betty are totally shifted things, ableit similar, it is like it cannot be neither before nor after the war or underground sheningans.
We will find more about where exactly we are when the full game releases
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GrandTickler Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:44am 
yeah nvm, i just read a twitter post of Toby confirming its a alternate universe
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9
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A Trap Nov 3, 2018 @ 10:57am 
My theory is; Kris = Chara in this universe.
Since Chara wanted to destroy humanity in UT (for reasons unknown), Kris wants to destroy humanity, being monsters, in this unverse (also for reasons unknown).
I would also speculate that in this universe, we are forcing Kris into doing something they don't want, robbing them of all control, which they are aware of and is why they rip out "their" soul in the end.
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(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr Nov 3, 2018 @ 11:43am 
Originally posted by GrandTickler:
i feel like its a straight up prequel since the monsters are still living above ground, the gate towards the 'underground' is south of town, sans just moved to town and barely knows anyone yet and his bro papyrus is still needing friends. i feel like part 2 or 3 will show us how the humans started the war with the monsters and chased them away.

the main character has always been a quiet creepy kid doing weird things (u find out by talking to everyone in town) so maybe Chara has been with you since birth, you banish him/her by going trough the pacifist run in undertale but in deltarune its still there in full force
You realize that the time of the war, none of the characters except for Toriel, Asgore, and Gerson were even born yet? It takes place waaaaaaay before the game starts. Heck, most characters weren't even alive when the human before Frisk fell.
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