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thepicgamer Nov 1, 2018 @ 10:55am
(spoilers) Deltarune ending discussion
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Originally posted by tikiman572:
I'm off the school of thought that we're dealing with an alternate universe here as well. Things are similar in nature to what has gone on in Undertale but there are noticeable differences, as other people have mentioned, such as Undyne having both of her eyes, Gerson being dead, etc.

The obvious point of contention, however, is the ending. That, is gonna be one helluva can of worms to dive into. So, let's dive into it.

We see Kris rip their soul out, against their will, and throw it into a cage before menacingly brandishing a knife and looking up towards us with red eyes. Obviously, Chara has entered the fray, and this doesn't bode well for the timeline that is Deltarune, as well as all other timelines. As Chara mentions in the end of a Genocide run, they're going to purge this timeline, and then move on to the next. Well, guess we've found out what the next timeline was. What's interesting is that one would've thought Chara would just hop from timeline to timeline after being awoken and just steamroll everything with their murderous power. But seeing this ending? I think individuals who went with a Genocide Ending, and then bargained their soul to Chara just fell for one helluva Batman Gambit.

What I'm suggesting is that after a Genocide Ending and the whole black screen waiting thing is happening, Chara is finishing up obliterating the timeline, and then attempting to move on to the next one. Except they find they can't; even their power has its limits despite knowing about alternate timelines. If Sans were alive, perhaps Chara could've wrested the knowledge on how to jump to an alternate timeline from him. But since that wasn't the case, and everyone else was gone? Chara was screwed. Until they noticed that the player, the entity in control of Frisk, was still here. Being able to jump freely as they please through time without some sort of aid was out of their reach, but they somehow knew one way, and it would involve the player and Frisk.

By buttering up the player and goading them into selling Frisk's soul to Chara, they've essentially turned Chara into a temporal version of Miang from Xenogears. Where Miang could manifest herself in any female on the planet, Chara, because of the bargain that was freely made with the player, can now manifest themselves in ANY variant of Frisk across the various timelines. Though much like Miang only being able to manifest in one woman at a time rather than going full Agent Smith on Fei and friends with the entire female population of the world, it would appear, for now at least, that Chara can only be in one Frisk variant at a time. Otherwise, I'm sure they'd just coup de grace all the timelines at once.

One must wonder if whether or not a single person out there did the Genocide route or, rather, not shown that they did it to the world at large, whether this series of events would've happened. That perhaps because certain players did this, it's essentially screwed with EVERYTHING and that even those of us who never hurt a single person in our playthroughs must now come to grips that because Chara was shown to have awoken in but a single person's playthrough, everything is screwed. Perhaps that's what Deltarune is going to explore: how you fix that one monumental mistake that was made, even if you, yourself, did not make it.

And then, on the sidelines, Gaster himself will be watching how we go about this with great interest. Shattered across time and space as he is, he's got a front row seat to watch ALL of this at once and take notes on it all. Is he looking for a way to fix things? Or is he just an impartial observer, like a true scientist? Who can say?

That was a lot, but using the info on hand, I think it's a good line of thinking to go on until we find out more.
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thepicgamer Nov 1, 2018 @ 11:02am 
Any idea what the ending could mean? Our main character ripping his soul out, putting it in a cage, getting glowing red eyes, and a knife. Maybe just a halloween surprise since it came out the same day? Many theorize it could be chara. The colors match Chara pretty closely. What do you theorize could be happening?
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Pootisatan Nov 1, 2018 @ 11:25am 
I think its too early to say anything for sure, especially since this new game, even though it has reoccuring characters, is 100% set in an alternate universe/timeline. Gerson (the turtle shop guy), who is alive in Undertale, is dead and has a gravestone in Deltarune, yet Undyne has both eyes, and also has no idea who Alphys is. Unrelated, but when I tried to name my character Frisk or Chara, there was no reaction, but when I named them Gaster, the game still crashed, and when I named them Sans, the "voice" said that it was quite the coincidence. So either Toby is purposefully withholding any info about Frisk and Chara being in the game or they just aren't in. Just my thoughts though, knowing Toby it could be something completely different.
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Lorisidir Giichi Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:09pm 
Is Kris Chara?


That would make absolutely no sense since Chara is pretty much the Nobody of Frisk and Frisk somehow gains her name.


But seeing Kris's colour palettes did turn me off a little..

And that ending song... Jeez...

(Also rearrange the name of Ralsei and it equals Asriel)
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✭ Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:21pm 
I thought Ralsei was Asriel considering the part where he takes his hat off and is referred to as a lonely prince
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Tokanova Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:24pm 
chara just wants to cut himself a piece of pie, don't worry :)
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Lorisidir Giichi Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:27pm 
When I started the game and Toriel said that "Asriel" is off...


Something felt off with this game...

And with this ending...


It's leaving me more questions than answers!
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Kardamon Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:33pm 
As far as I understand the ending... the story is actually a sequel. A sequel to the worst possible ending of Undertale, where Chara has your soul.

It's set in another universe ("let's leave this world behind and move to another") where monsters still live on the surface, but there are basically no humans around (Chara hated humanity). And the theme of "your choices don't matter" is somewhat close to their claim that "you were never in control".

Also, Kris lack one letter to be an anagram of Frisk. Wether or not is that intetnional remains to be seen.
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JelliedKnife Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:38pm 
I've got a few theories as to where the series is going. I'm not a crazy good theorist that inspects every speck of dirt of clues, I don't even own Undertale, and when I got to the end, I essentially made a bee line to my house and missed a ton of stuff, but I think they're plausible.
1. Asriel hasn't returned from college, if I'm correct. Perhaps Chapter 2 will start with Asriel returning home right as Kris gets murdery murdery. The game might entail him restraining Kris and setting of to find a "cure" to his condition, which might bring him to the Light World.
2. The player is the soul that Kris ripped out and trapped in the bird cage in the ending if I'm correct. Perhaps the game will entail the soul escaping and trying to find it's host before he reaps carnage upon the town.
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Lorisidir Giichi Nov 1, 2018 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by Kardamon:
As far as I understand the ending... the story is actually a sequel. A sequel to the worst possible ending of Undertale, where Chara has your soul.

It's set in another universe ("let's leave this world behind and move to another") where monsters still live on the surface, but there are basically no humans around (Chara hated humanity). And the theme of "your choices don't matter" is somewhat close to their claim that "you were never in control".

Also, Kris lack one letter to be an anagram of Frisk. Wether or not is that intetnional remains to be seen.

Originally posted by JayCee:
I've got a few theories as to where the series is going. I'm not a crazy good theorist that inspects every speck of dirt of clues, I don't even own Undertale, and when I got to the end, I essentially made a bee line to my house and missed a ton of stuff, but I think they're plausible.
1. Asriel hasn't returned from college, if I'm correct. Perhaps Chapter 2 will start with Asriel returning home right as Kris gets murdery murdery. The game might entail him restraining Kris and setting of to find a "cure" to his condition, which might bring him to the Light World.
2. The player is the soul that Kris ripped out and trapped in the bird cage in the ending if I'm correct. Perhaps the game will entail the soul escaping and trying to find it's host before he reaps carnage upon the town.


Or it could be Toby's OFFICAL AU?


Those are really good Theories...


Let's if we can let MatPat have ONE MORE chance with this Undertale/DeltaRune stuff before sealing him away again...

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JelliedKnife Nov 1, 2018 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by The Creator:
Originally posted by Kardamon:
As far as I understand the ending... the story is actually a sequel. A sequel to the worst possible ending of Undertale, where Chara has your soul.

It's set in another universe ("let's leave this world behind and move to another") where monsters still live on the surface, but there are basically no humans around (Chara hated humanity). And the theme of "your choices don't matter" is somewhat close to their claim that "you were never in control".

Also, Kris lack one letter to be an anagram of Frisk. Wether or not is that intetnional remains to be seen.

Originally posted by JayCee:
I've got a few theories as to where the series is going. I'm not a crazy good theorist that inspects every speck of dirt of clues, I don't even own Undertale, and when I got to the end, I essentially made a bee line to my house and missed a ton of stuff, but I think they're plausible.
1. Asriel hasn't returned from college, if I'm correct. Perhaps Chapter 2 will start with Asriel returning home right as Kris gets murdery murdery. The game might entail him restraining Kris and setting of to find a "cure" to his condition, which might bring him to the Light World.
2. The player is the soul that Kris ripped out and trapped in the bird cage in the ending if I'm correct. Perhaps the game will entail the soul escaping and trying to find it's host before he reaps carnage upon the town.


Or it could be Toby's OFFICAL AU?


Those are really good Theories...


Let's if we can let MatPat have ONE MORE chance with this Undertale/DeltaRune stuff before sealing him away again...
Just adding a bit more since I just though of this. Perhaps if Asriel is going to cure Kris, then they might head to the secret bunker south of town. Maybe Gaster is there and he knows how to help them, which entails opening a portal to the Light World, and either using Light Magic to heal Kris, or getting a sciency thingy to create a cure. Kris might be Chapter 2's Susie, combat wise. Perhaps a little more, as due to his genocidal nature, he might also attack party members as well.
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thepicgamer Nov 1, 2018 @ 5:57pm 
It could also be a corrupted timeline that's happening before the war.
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Flika1999 Nov 1, 2018 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by nightly ★:
I thought Ralsei was Asriel considering the part where he takes his hat off and is referred to as a lonely prince
maybe the dark kingdom is where Asriel went while being Flowey
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JelliedKnife Nov 1, 2018 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by Flika1999:
Originally posted by nightly ★:
I thought Ralsei was Asriel considering the part where he takes his hat off and is referred to as a lonely prince
maybe the dark kingdom is where Asriel went while being Flowey
I kinda figured that if Asriel was Ralsei, It'd be to where Asriel found another entrance into the Dark World, and got trapped for so long that he got his named mixed up. College is the perfect cover for this, as nobody except the college staff would know Asriel went missing. As far as Toriel and the rest of the townies are concerned, Asriel is still in college.
Last edited by JelliedKnife; Nov 1, 2018 @ 6:25pm
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(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr Nov 1, 2018 @ 6:26pm 
Originally posted by nightly ★:
I thought Ralsei was Asriel considering the part where he takes his hat off and is referred to as a lonely prince
And their names are anagrams. Asriel however is also Kris's older brother in the game and away at college.
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thepicgamer Nov 1, 2018 @ 6:29pm 
Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:
Originally posted by nightly ★:
I thought Ralsei was Asriel considering the part where he takes his hat off and is referred to as a lonely prince
And their names are anagrams. Asriel however is also Kris's older brother in the game and away at college.
Yeah Kris is the adopted son of Toriel in this timeline
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