Deltarune Theory. (Spoilers)

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At the end of undertale 1 genocide route, Chara says this "Let us erase this wolrd and move on to another". What if this is THAT world?
What if Chara-Frisk took took over Kris? You can clearly see that Chara took over Kris in the end of Deltarune. Sans also mentions that Kris is obbsesed with chocolate (Just like Chara was, it's not a big deal but it's something worth noting)

So here are the possibilties:

-This happens after the pacifist run (Would explain why monsers are on surface.

-This is an universe in which monsters won the war. (Would explain why we see no human on the surface)

-This is an universe in which humans and monsters never went to war in the first place (Would explain why Sans doesnt' know anyone, WOULDN'T EXPLAIN why sans is still in "dead inside" mode and why gribblys still exists.

Now this is my theory:

-This is any of the universes above (time will tell) after destroying undertale universe Chara and Frisk move to other wolrds to destroy them just like they destroyed that one. Maybe this would explain why sans was fighting so desperatly. This would also explain why you can hear gaster when you use the phone. Sans also says "As If we didn't meet before" even tho he said he doesn't know anyone in the town, and Kris clearly isn't Frisk. (What this means is there are probably bunch of universes in which all kind of different things happened in them)
Perhaps there is one in which one of the 6 kids that fell underground in undertale 1 survived, who knows?)

I don't know, share your theories down below we might be able to solve something out. This theory to me makes a lot of sense and is quite a possibility.

EDIT: This would explain why Asriel is alive despite turning back to flowey after pacifist run in undertale 1.

EDIT 2: In the beggining of deltarune someone (Maybe Chara)

Says this:

"Are you there?" -a soul appears

"Excellent"

"Let us begin"


Edit 3: undyne has 2 eyes as if her fights in the underground never happened

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 iSmile02：

Okay, I think a lot of the theories we're having here just aren't gonna work. Toby just posted this on Twitter:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

This is a whole seperate story (one that was in development since 2012, in fact.) It's not one we should be connecting to Undertale's story or characters.

By there not being multiple endings, is he refering to the whole game or just the Chapter 1 demo?

[iSmile02]

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

引用自 iSmile02：

Okay, I think a lot of the theories we're having here just aren't gonna work. Toby just posted this on Twitter:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

This is a whole seperate story (one that was in development since 2012, in fact.) It's not one we should be connecting to Undertale's story or characters.

By there not being multiple endings, is he refering to the whole game or just the Chapter 1 demo?

Probably the whole game, but I don't think anyone really knows for sure.

[Vanta]

Dunno if anyone else mentioned this but there are a frick tonne of easter eggs and things which have a direct connection to W.D. Gaster, use the Cell phone when in the realm of darkness and it plays the gaster speaking sound, and when near a certain door it plays music which is just the W.D gaster speaking sound sped up and modifed, I can tell Gaster is going to make a direct cameo in future chapters.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 Sir Buttershoes：

Well, this seems as good a place as any to post my ludicrous theory. That being that Lancer is Sans, and both games take place in either the same timeline, or same universe in different dimensions, and that Toby Fox has been planning this for a while. I'd be surprised if nobody's noticed this yet.

So, to start off, I'll remind everyone of Sans' hidden workshop in Undertale. Without going into too much detail, you get a key to Sans' room from him after messing around with time travel (reloading saves and talking to sans to prove you're a "time traveller"), and in his room you find a silver key which leads to a hidden workshop in the back of their house.

Basically, here's the contents of the room that you can interact with:
1. A photo of Sans any many people you "don't recognize". The fact it becomes a picture of you and the other characters in the game if you go to the workshop after you've beaten the game seems to imply that Sans definitely has some way to travel between timelines. How else would he have a photo of an event that, at the time you're looking at it, hasn't happened yet?

2. Blueprints to a machine, written in illegible symbols. Gee, I wonder if Deltarune may have had a significant scene with blueprints to an odd machine? Protip: it totally did. The symbols are probably illegible because you customize the machine with numerous customization options, so to maintain the integrity of lore the blueprints can't be read as any solid description couldn't match up with every player's choice of machine.

3. A strange, covered up machine that seems to be broken. To go back to the previous point, does a strange, broken machine sound familiar? One which is conveniently covered because there's no way to visually represent the choices of every single player's custom machine? Yeah.

4. A badge. I'm going to be real, I don't have anything for this. Maybe it's something from later chapters?

5. Alright, this one is the most important one of all. See, there's this rare NPC (determined by random in-game values which change between runs) near Napstablook's house which talks about her "neighbor's daughter", named Suzy. It's only after talking to this NPC that you can find the fifth item in Sans' workshop: a card with a poorly drawn picture of 3 smiling people, with the words "don't forget". This is easily the most damning, mindblowing piece of evidence, as I think it's no coincidence that not only is it a drawing of 3 people when Lancer travelled with the 3 protagonists in Deltarune, but the fact that it only appears after learning about Suzy, a likely intentional misspelling of SUSIE, one of said protagonists, and that this feature was added in a postlaunch patch for the game makes me nearly 100% sure that this picture is of Kris, Susie, and Ralsei.


And all this evidence points to the idea that Sans was somehow present at the time and place that Deltarune is taking place, which leads me to think Lancer is in fact Sans. Aside from the potential evidence above, let's look at some similarities between the two:

1. Both often have hilariously terrible plots to take down the protagonist.

2. Both have basically the same deadpan humor, that is doing funny things without directly acknowledging it. Such as when Lancer "escapes" to 5 feet away, and the entire scene when Sans shows Papyrus the protagonist.

3. Both wear a blue hoodie. A minor one, sure, but still.

4. Both appear to be skeletons. While Lancer's face isn't revealed, the lower face we see in some scenes looks pretty damn skeletal to me.


So, feel free to poke holes in my theory.

Or just ignore the wall of text like most people probably reading this.

You do know that Sans is actually IN Deltarune? He’s in the town in front a Grilby’s look alike with his name. You can talk to him at the end and he asks you to come over the next day and watch his brother while he works on something.

So I think it’s more likely that Sans in Deltarune is the same Sans as the one in Undertale, and Deltarune May give Sans more backstory explaining how he got to the Undertale universe.

[rorgfist]

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

So I think it’s more likely that Sans in Deltarune is the same Sans as the one in Undertale, and Deltarune May give Sans more backstory explaining how he got to the Undertale universe.

Toby fox answered a lot of stuff about deltarune, i will copy and paste some of his words:


I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

[rorgfist]

引用自 Sir Buttershoes：

引用自 rorgfist：

Toby fox answered a lot of stuff about deltarune, i will copy and paste some of his words:


I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

See, your interpretation that it's not the same WORLD as Undertale is taking it at face value too much.

If you ask me, it's the same general "world" as in universe, with many major events happening and characters being identical but a different "world" as in a different TIMELINE, a la the Many Worlds Interpretation. Considering how significant time travel is to Undertale, it's not too farfetched to think that this is just a different timeline of the same universe, caused by somebody else with the ability to SAVE/LOAD averting some event.

Dude, this is a literal quote from toby fox:

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...


If toby fox says that its a different world with different characters, then its a different world with different characters, is not a theory, its not an speculation, is something directly stated by toby fox.

[Aluminate]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

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[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 rorgfist：

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

So I think it’s more likely that Sans in Deltarune is the same Sans as the one in Undertale, and Deltarune May give Sans more backstory explaining how he got to the Undertale universe.

Toby fox answered a lot of stuff about deltarune, i will copy and paste some of his words:


I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I know it’s an alternate universe. But Sans in Undertale was hinted to be from another universe, and a lot of clues in his workshop point to him being from Deltarune’s. Basically it could be the same Sans (and possibly Papyrus) in both games because time travel shenanigans.

[rorgfist]

Is not a different timeline. Different resets in undertale are different timelines, this is something else entirely, different world, different characters, not only a different time.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 rorgfist：

Is not a different timeline. Different resets in undertale are different timelines, this is something else entirely, different world, different characters, not only a different time.

Yes, it’s an alternate/parallel universe.

[rorgfist]

引用自 Caelliox ☭：

引用自 rorgfist：

Is not a different timeline. Different resets in undertale are different timelines, this is something else entirely, different world, different characters, not only a different time.

Well, a different timeline = different universe. Anything could happen.

Not at all, different timeline will mean the same old underground and the same old characters. These are different. It is completely unrelated to undertale. So no, its not an alternate undertale, its an entire different everything

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 Caelliox ☭：

引用自 rorgfist：

Is not a different timeline. Different resets in undertale are different timelines, this is something else entirely, different world, different characters, not only a different time.

Well, a different timeline = different universe. Anything could happen.

There is a difference. When you say “timeline” the amount of what can change is much more limited. The different routes you play in Undertale are alternate timelines. Deltarune is an alternate universe where changes further back in time have vastly altered events beyond the scope of what was possible by playing different routes in Undertale.

[rorgfist]

引用自 Caelliox ☭：

引用自 rorgfist：

Not at all, different timeline will mean the same old underground and the same old characters. These are different. It is completely unrelated to undertale. So no, its not an alternate undertale, its an entire different everything

Nah mate look up a definition of a timeline

Again, this is not a debate, its been already confirmed by Toby. Different world and characters, a timeline os the same world and the same characters in a different time. Deltarune is canonically not that.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 Caelliox ☭：

引用自 rorgfist：

Not at all, different timeline will mean the same old underground and the same old characters. These are different. It is completely unrelated to undertale. So no, its not an alternate undertale, its an entire different everything

Nah mate look up a definition of a timeline

But when you link a “timeline” to a game, you’re only talking about what can happen within the span of the game.

The changes that would lead to Deltarune’s universe lie outside of that timespan, so we can’t say it’s an alternate timeline of Undertale. So we call it an AU instead.

[CTheRex]

ok, these replies are getting a bit long... maybe time to calm down our theorist brain lobes?