Deltarune Theory. (Spoilers)

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At the end of undertale 1 genocide route, Chara says this "Let us erase this wolrd and move on to another". What if this is THAT world?
What if Chara-Frisk took took over Kris? You can clearly see that Chara took over Kris in the end of Deltarune. Sans also mentions that Kris is obbsesed with chocolate (Just like Chara was, it's not a big deal but it's something worth noting)

So here are the possibilties:

-This happens after the pacifist run (Would explain why monsers are on surface.

-This is an universe in which monsters won the war. (Would explain why we see no human on the surface)

-This is an universe in which humans and monsters never went to war in the first place (Would explain why Sans doesnt' know anyone, WOULDN'T EXPLAIN why sans is still in "dead inside" mode and why gribblys still exists.

Now this is my theory:

-This is any of the universes above (time will tell) after destroying undertale universe Chara and Frisk move to other wolrds to destroy them just like they destroyed that one. Maybe this would explain why sans was fighting so desperatly. This would also explain why you can hear gaster when you use the phone. Sans also says "As If we didn't meet before" even tho he said he doesn't know anyone in the town, and Kris clearly isn't Frisk. (What this means is there are probably bunch of universes in which all kind of different things happened in them)
Perhaps there is one in which one of the 6 kids that fell underground in undertale 1 survived, who knows?)

I don't know, share your theories down below we might be able to solve something out. This theory to me makes a lot of sense and is quite a possibility.

EDIT: This would explain why Asriel is alive despite turning back to flowey after pacifist run in undertale 1.

EDIT 2: In the beggining of deltarune someone (Maybe Chara)

Says this:

"Are you there?" -a soul appears

"Excellent"

"Let us begin"


Edit 3: undyne has 2 eyes as if her fights in the underground never happened

[iSmile02]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing with this world being the one Chara was referring to. That is a possible theory.

I was more thinking about how Gaster was involved, and I think it might be something like this. In the Twitter posts, Gaster mentions being on the "verge of connection". What I think he means is, he's trying to bring himself back into the physical world by reconnecting to it.

Deltarune seems like it takes place in an alternate timeline, where there was no Human VS Monster war. It's absolutely not a prequel (since the timeframes just don't match up at all with the original game), for one. I doubt it'd be a sequel either. This feels more like a reboot, if anything. Either way, I don't think we should be trying to match up events here with events from the original game. (Maybe that's why our "vessel" in the intro was immediately discarded. It might've been a subtle way of "discarding" the original timeline, telling us to forget what we know for now? I don't know about this though)

If the Human and Monster war never happened, then this means, Gaster is likely alive somewhere in this universe. Perhaps that's what the story is going to mostly be based around; Undertale's Gaster trying to connect back into reality via Deltarune's Gaster?

Just a thought. Doubt the theory would hold up, but there it is anyway.

[iSmile02]

Originally posted by Caelliox ☭:

Originally posted by iSmile02:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing with this world being the one Chara was referring to. That is a possible theory.

I was more thinking about how Gaster was involved, and I think it might be something like this. In the Twitter posts, Gaster mentions being on the "verge of connection". What I think he means is, he's trying to bring himself back into the physical world by reconnecting to it.

Deltarune seems like it takes place in an alternate timeline, where there was no Human VS Monster war. It's absolutely not a prequel (since the timeframes just don't match up at all with the original game), for one. I doubt it'd be a sequel either. This feels more like a reboot, if anything. Either way, I don't think we should be trying to match up events here with events from the original game. (Maybe that's why our "vessel" in the intro was immediately discarded. It might've been a subtle way of "discarding" the original timeline, telling us to forget what we know for now? I don't know about this though)

If the Human and Monster war never happened, then this means, Gaster is likely alive somewhere in this universe. Perhaps that's what the story is going to mostly be based around; Undertale's Gaster trying to connect back into reality via Deltarune's Gaster?

Just a thought. Doubt the theory would hold up, but there it is anyway.

There is also a Gaster Theme in the deltarune files (If you use VLC it shows a gaster pic and it's clearly suppose to be for gaster)
So maybe hes trying to bring himself back to save the world from us?

Yeah, that's what I mean. The speaker in the intro is DEFINITELY Gaster himself, mostly due to the background music being a remix of Gaster's Theme. There's also the fact that trying to use your phone in the dark world plays the same noise that plays during Entry Number Seventeen. I'm not too sure he's trying to save the world from us, but rather, he might just want to bring himself back because he, well, just wants to come back. After all, in the Twitter posts, he did say he's been waiting a long time. I don't think he wants to stop us, considering how he didn't show many signs of hostility in any of his dialog as of now. Hard to tell what he's planning, though.

[iSmile02]

Originally posted by Caelliox ☭:

Originally posted by iSmile02:

Yeah, that's what I mean. The speaker in the intro is DEFINITELY Gaster himself, mostly due to the background music being a remix of Gaster's Theme. There's also the fact that trying to use your phone in the dark world plays the same noise that plays during Entry Number Seventeen. I'm not too sure he's trying to save the world from us, but rather, he might just want to bring himself back because he, well, just wants to come back. After all, in the Twitter posts, he did say he's been waiting a long time. I don't think he wants to stop us, considering how he didn't show many signs of hostility in any of his dialog as of now. Hard to tell what he's planning, though.

What confususes me tho, if this theory is true. If Chara and frisk did move on to another universe just to destroy it, why do we have an option to do pacifist run? And what does happen after the pacifist run?

I don't think this universe exists solely for Chara to destroy it. Or, maybe they still want to punish us for doing the Genocide run in the first place. They DID encourage you to play the Pacifist route again if you keep doing Genocide runs in the original. This could be their plan; to lull us into a false sense of security by allowing us to do Pacifist runs in a new universe.

I really have no idea with any of that, and I really doubt any of what I said is true or even makes much sense. This is the part where it gets really, really confusing. We've probably hit a dead end until new chapters come out. We'll just have to see where the series takes us next to find out what Chara's end goal is, if they're even part of this universe. Maybe whatever took over Kris isn't even Chara, but rather, something entirely different. Maybe, it was Gaster himself. Very, very hard to know what's going on.

[thenottakenname]

What if I told you... this is all the same universe and timeline? Kris is Frisk?

Running around in the town at the end of the chapter kinda gives it all away. Frisk is a kid, Kris is the grown-up teenager; Undertale is whimsical while Deltarune is more adult. If you assume Kris is Frisk, and this is all one timeline, then Undertale can be considered to just be an imagination adventure of a quiet, odd kid with no friends. Chapter one took about as long to beat as Undertale, so lets say that the events of Undertale also took maybe a day or two. A young child going missing for that long would probably cause their mother (Toriel) to hold their hand wherever they go. The kid had a need to escape because of his parents separation, and got lost in his imagination. I mean, the junkyard in waterfall was a favourite spot of Alphys, and there was a bed of yellow flowers. The alley that Alphys is in has garbage cans, some of them full of yellow flowers. Everything has a correlation that can be explained with imagination. What about Bratty and Catty? They seem so alike, that of course a kid would think they were best friends, when really they don't like each other. Catty also says she made you get her a burger and fries when you were younger, which happened in Undertale. I really think there's a lot to this theory, althought it could all just be a massive red herring.

[iSmile02]

Originally posted by thenottakenname:

What if I told you... this is all the same universe and timeline? Kris is Frisk?

Running around in the town at the end of the chapter kinda gives it all away. Frisk is a kid, Kris is the grown-up teenager; Undertale is whimsical while Deltarune is more adult. If you assume Kris is Frisk, and this is all one timeline, then Undertale can be considered to just be an imagination adventure of a quiet, odd kid with no friends. Chapter one took about as long to beat as Undertale, so lets say that the events of Undertale also took maybe a day or two. A young child going missing for that long would probably cause their mother (Toriel) to hold their hand wherever they go. The kid had a need to escape because of his parents separation, and got lost in his imagination. I mean, the junkyard in waterfall was a favourite spot of Alphys, and there was a bed of yellow flowers. The alley that Alphys is in has garbage cans, some of them full of yellow flowers. Everything has a correlation that can be explained with imagination. What about Bratty and Catty? They seem so alike, that of course a kid would think they were best friends, when really they don't like each other. Catty also says she made you get her a burger and fries when you were younger, which happened in Undertale. I really think there's a lot to this theory, althought it could all just be a massive red herring.

I doubt this is true. Remember, Sans and Papyrus had only just moved into town at the end of the game. It's highly unlikely that Kris has met either of them prior to the ending. I don't know how Kris would be able to envision those two in any kind of situation without ever having met them.

[rorgfist]

Originally posted by Caelliox ☭:

Originally posted by thenottakenname:

What if I told you... this is all the same universe and timeline? Kris is Frisk?

Running around in the town at the end of the chapter kinda gives it all away. Frisk is a kid, Kris is the grown-up teenager; Undertale is whimsical while Deltarune is more adult. If you assume Kris is Frisk, and this is all one timeline, then Undertale can be considered to just be an imagination adventure of a quiet, odd kid with no friends. Chapter one took about as long to beat as Undertale, so lets say that the events of Undertale also took maybe a day or two. A young child going missing for that long would probably cause their mother (Toriel) to hold their hand wherever they go. The kid had a need to escape because of his parents separation, and got lost in his imagination. I mean, the junkyard in waterfall was a favourite spot of Alphys, and there was a bed of yellow flowers. The alley that Alphys is in has garbage cans, some of them full of yellow flowers. Everything has a correlation that can be explained with imagination. What about Bratty and Catty? They seem so alike, that of course a kid would think they were best friends, when really they don't like each other. Catty also says she made you get her a burger and fries when you were younger, which happened in Undertale. I really think there's a lot to this theory, althought it could all just be a massive red herring.

I see where this theory is coming from but there are some flaws with it.

-Sans clearly recognizes you. (Tho this could be 4th wall breaking and nothing more)

-Chara posseses kris at the ending

-The entire gaster thing (Why would he be there if nothing was wrong?)

-How would you explain the entire genocide route? I mean if that was kids imagination why can't you just keep playing undertale after you destroy the wolrd?

-Who is CHARA in his imagination?

Idk interesting theory but I don't really think that's the case. (also "kris" (not the player) doesn't know sans in deltarune, so how could he put him in his dreams?"( or hers xd))

Sans dont recognize you and says that they had never met you before.

We have no confirmation thats chara, it could be another kind of possesion/another demon, in undertale they clearly introduce themselves, here,. they dont.

Gaster thing is a complete mystery and cant be used to either prove or rebuke anything because we truly dont know anything about him.





To sum up

Occams razor, the easier and less complicated explanation is almost invariably the correct one.

This is an alternate universe unrelated to the events of undertale 1

[rorgfist]

thats not at all how i interpret that phrase, but until the game continue, is completely impossible for either of us to both prove us right or prove the other wrong.


so waiting it is.

[iSmile02]

Originally posted by Caelliox ☭:

Originally posted by rorgfist:

thats not at all how i interpret that phrase, but until the game continue, is completely impossible for either of us to both prove us right or prove the other wrong.


so waiting it is.

It's just a theory, a game theory.

GAME THEORY:
KRIS IS LUCAS FROM MOTHER 3

We've solved everything folks.

[zeph101theoriginal]

I honestly think it's best not to look into the story and theory too much.

While the first game had a well thought out narrative and "lore", what really stood out to me was its themes as a game about video games.

For example, I honestly think Gaster was a bit of meta commentary on pouring a lot of effort into trying to explain something in a game that provided barely any information on said thing.

I think by the end of Delta Rune we will have an explanaion as to how it's connected to the World of Undertale, but I doubt that'll be the main point of what Toby Fox is intending to say with this game. Much like with Bioshock Infinite, I think this game may end up having some meta commentary about our expectations of what we want out of a sequel.

Just my two cents.

[plznostep]

This probably not mean anything but i remember when i was playing undertale another time of the riverman saying "Beware the man who came from the other world." Maybe it refers to Chara or Gaster? I'd take it with a grain of salt however.

[plznostep]

Originally posted by Caelliox ☭:

Originally posted by PleaseDontStepOnMe:

This probably not mean anything but i remember when i was playing undertale another time of the riverman saying "Beware the man who came from the other world." Maybe it refers to Chara or Gaster? I'd take it with a grain of salt however.

Most likely gaster.

Probably, but if it was Chara does it refer to the ending of the game?

[tikiman572]

I'm of the belief that Chara, despite having the kind of power they did at the end of a Genocide run, did not actually have the power to go to another timeline like they said they did. Perhaps they THOUGHT they did initially, but discovered whoops, even their absolute power had its limits. However, by buttering up the player into bargaining Frisk's soul to them, they were able to exploit a loophole of sorts to venture to other timelines where there were active variants of Frisk (Kris, after all, looks near similar to Frisk AND is an anagram of Frisk minis the F). and then assume control of said variant thanks to the nature of the bargain the player made with them. They're essentially a temporal version of Miang from Xenogears, if you want a good analogy of the situation.

[CTheRex]

wait. Sans is in Deltarune?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by superc2187:

wait. Sans is in Deltarune?

when you walk around the hometown at the end

[iSmile02]

Okay, I think a lot of the theories we're having here just aren't gonna work. Toby just posted this on Twitter:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

This is a whole seperate story (one that was in development since 2012, in fact.) It's not one we should be connecting to Undertale's story or characters.