Character ages

[rayland]

I'm sorry, I know there have been hundreds of threads like these before, but I've never gotten to put my opinion into this.

SPOILER WARNING

What do you think the ages of the Undertale characters are?

I've done lots of research and read lots of discussions, and I've come to these conclusions:

Frisk: 11-13. I know they look like a little kid, but they're able to speak with perfect grammar, they can kill mercilessly, they can flirt, they can save the world, and I doubt any kid less than 10 could do this.
Edit: Also, the toys in your room in Toriel's house say they "don't interest you", which means you're most likely too old to play with toys.

Asriel: 9-11. He's probably around the same age as Frisk, but maybe a little younger, as he's smaller and he's a "crybaby".

Chara: 12-14. This might sound crazy, but they got a freaking KNIFE as a present. Why would you give a child a knife? Even a toy one? Also, they tried to kill themself twice, and they hate humanity. They sound pretty mature, but the choices they give you are also pretty immature, so they're probably a preteen or early teenager.

Papyrus: I used to think of him to be around 19, but I thought about it some more, and he has to be 17 at the most, unless they have a different age system in the Underground. He's going through TRAINING, not RECRUITMENT, to get into the Royal Guard, which means he must not be old enough or ready enough to join. Usually, you have to be 18 to get a job. He's also pretty immature, and I have a 17 year old brother myself, so I know what I'm talking about.

Sans: 20-30. It's a little vague, but he's old enough to call Frisk a kid, so he can't be 18 if Frisk is 13. He is also hinted to have a scientific background, and there has to have time for him to be a scientist. We also know he's Papyrus' older brother.

Undyne: 25-30. She's pretty young, as she loves anime, but she's also a seasoned warrior. She's pretty mature, so she's most likely older. I imagine her as 28.

Alphys: 25-35. She must be around Undyne's age. I think she's younger than Undyne, but she also has a complicated background which must've had a few years to develop. She has a stable, professional job just like Undyne, so she has to be older than 20, but she's also kind of immature in her obsession with anime, so she might be on the younger side.

Toriel: Mentally 50-1,000. Physically 20-30. Since she's a boss monster, she doesn't age unless her child is alive, but she's old enough to call herself an "old lady", also she was alive in the war so she must be ancient.

Asgore: Same as Toriel.

Well, that's my own opinion. Feel free to put forth your own! I'm not trying to argue with anyone about their opinions. I respect everyone. Thanks for reading this long rant!

[Soundless1997]

I'm kind of close to your guess for Frisk's age. I see them as 9 years old.

I was 9 years old when I first had a crush on someone. I even berated other students for pulling practical jokes on them out of the belief that this is how to protect someone you love.

[tydcool]

I agree with all except for torial and asgore. They are defintally older than 30 years old. I think that they are 45 years old each.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Deltarune confirms that Asriel is older than Chara (because Kris is the Chara of that universe), and I would imagine thematically Chara and Frisk are the same age, or more accurately Frisk is the same age as Chara when they died. So Asriel is older than Frisk by about 4-6 years.

Also you, the player, are responsible for how Frisk acts, Frisk is essentially a puppet. The choices we make for them tell us nothing about Frisk as a character, or their age.

I would say Frisk and Chara are 9, Asriel is 13. Papyrus would be 20 and Undyne would be 24 based on their usernames.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by tydcool:

I agree with all except for torial and asgore. They are defintally older than 30 years old. I think that they are 45 years old each.

Their ages are whatever age they were when Asriel was born + how old Asriel was when he died.

[tydcool]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by tydcool:

I agree with all except for torial and asgore. They are defintally older than 30 years old. I think that they are 45 years old each.

Their ages are whatever age they were when Asriel was born + how old Asriel was when he died.

That is true and with that knowledge I think that Torial and Asgore had Asrial in thier late 30s

[tydcool]

I am going to ask a question and this question shows us how little we know of the undertale lore.
How long ago do you think the great big war happened. 20 years, 100 years, 2000 years?
I forget who in undertale says this but they mentioned that thier king named the place where they reside New Home"I think it was called that anyways"

Bascilly are we going under the assumption that Asgore is that very same king witch would make it likely that Undyne lost her eye in the war or are we assuming that that was a differnet king.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by tydcool:

I am going to ask a question and this question shows us how little we know of the undertale lore.
How long ago do you think the great big war happened. 20 years, 100 years, 2000 years?
I forget who in undertale says this but they mentioned that thier king named the place where they reside New Home"I think it was called that anyways"

Bascilly are we going under the assumption that Asgore is that very same king witch would make it likely that Undyne lost her eye in the war or are we assuming that that was a differnet king.

Asgore is the same king. That would mean the war had to only be a few years before Chara fell. Unless, Asgore and Toriel had parents that died before the war, or died during the war and Asgore was already named king in his father’s place.

This would mean Asgore and Toriel aged until their parents died, were in an age limbo until Asriel was born, and are now in a second age limbo with Asriel gone.

[tydcool]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by tydcool:

I am going to ask a question and this question shows us how little we know of the undertale lore.
How long ago do you think the great big war happened. 20 years, 100 years, 2000 years?
I forget who in undertale says this but they mentioned that thier king named the place where they reside New Home"I think it was called that anyways"

Bascilly are we going under the assumption that Asgore is that very same king witch would make it likely that Undyne lost her eye in the war or are we assuming that that was a differnet king.

Asgore is the same king. That would mean the war had to only be a few years before Chara fell. Unless, Asgore and Toriel had parents that died before the war, or died during the war and Asgore was already named king in his father’s place.

This would mean Asgore and Toriel aged until their parents died, were in an age limbo until Asriel was born, and are now in a second age limbo with Asriel gone.

I'm not understanding (age limbo) Are you saying that the monsters stopped aging inside the underground(If so please explain your reasons)
Why exactly does it have to be only a few years before frisk came down.
I say that is has probally been at least 10 years after the war before frisk fell in because there had to be time for six children to fall into the underground before frisk came. Torial says that it has been a long time since humans have fallen down(Mabey a year or more)
I also think that the interaction between asgore and torial at the end of pacifast indicates that it has been more the 3 years since they seperated.

[tydcool]

Wait a second, Just noticed this " Since she's a boss monster, she doesn't age unless her child is alive"
Where did this come from. I don't remember anything like this at all in undertale.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by tydcool:

Wait a second, Just noticed this " Since she's a boss monster, she doesn't age unless her child is alive"
Where did this come from. I don't remember anything like this at all in undertale.

Boss Monsters only age as their children grow up. I’m also assuming that they only grow up as long as their parents live, but this part is never stated.

Boss monsters only aging with their children is brought up by Gerson, the only other character that was alive during the war.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by tydcool:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Asgore is the same king. That would mean the war had to only be a few years before Chara fell. Unless, Asgore and Toriel had parents that died before the war, or died during the war and Asgore was already named king in his father’s place.

This would mean Asgore and Toriel aged until their parents died, were in an age limbo until Asriel was born, and are now in a second age limbo with Asriel gone.

I'm not understanding (age limbo) Are you saying that the monsters stopped aging inside the underground(If so please explain your reasons)
Why exactly does it have to be only a few years before frisk came down.
I say that is has probally been at least 10 years after the war before frisk fell in because there had to be time for six children to fall into the underground before frisk came. Torial says that it has been a long time since humans have fallen down(Mabey a year or more)
I also think that the interaction between asgore and torial at the end of pacifast indicates that it has been more the 3 years since they seperated.

So 201X is when Chara fell into the Underground.

Frisk falls much much later. I’d say likely 1000 years later in 301X.

Because not only do 6 humans fall between the time Chara died and the game starts, but no monsters besides Gerson and the Dreemurrs have even seen a human before during the events of the game. Which means it’s also been a long time since the last human fell.

Given the technology possessed by humans in the intro, as well the existence of magicians and usual RPG tropes I’d say the war was during the Medieval era, roughly 800-1000 years before Chara fell. Though this would only work with the idea that Boss Monsters need their parents to be alive for them to age.

Assuming this is correct, that would mean the Human War took place 1800 to 2000 years before the events of the game. And Gerson, Asgore, and Toriel have been alive that entire time.

[tydcool]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by tydcool:

I'm not understanding (age limbo) Are you saying that the monsters stopped aging inside the underground(If so please explain your reasons)
Why exactly does it have to be only a few years before frisk came down.
I say that is has probally been at least 10 years after the war before frisk fell in because there had to be time for six children to fall into the underground before frisk came. Torial says that it has been a long time since humans have fallen down(Mabey a year or more)
I also think that the interaction between asgore and torial at the end of pacifast indicates that it has been more the 3 years since they seperated.

So 201X is when Chara fell into the Underground.

Frisk falls much much later. I’d say likely 1000 years later in 301X.

Because not only do 6 humans fall between the time Chara died and the game starts, but no monsters besides Gerson and the Dreemurrs have even seen a human before during the events of the game. Which means it’s also been a long time since the last human fell.

Given the technology possessed by humans in the intro, as well the existence of magicians and usual RPG tropes I’d say the war was during the Medieval era, roughly 800-1000 years before Chara fell. Though this would only work with the idea that Boss Monsters need their parents to be alive for them to age.

Assuming this is correct, that would mean the Human War took place 1800 to 2000 years before the events of the game. And Gerson, Asgore, and Toriel have been alive that entire time.

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I understand now. I never heard of the fact that boss monsters age with their children. This makes sense.

[rayland]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Deltarune confirms that Asriel is older than Chara (because Kris is the Chara of that universe), and I would imagine thematically Chara and Frisk are the same age, or more accurately Frisk is the same age as Chara when they died. So Asriel is older than Frisk by about 4-6 years.

Also you, the player, are responsible for how Frisk acts, Frisk is essentially a puppet. The choices we make for them tell us nothing about Frisk as a character, or their age.

I would say Frisk and Chara are 9, Asriel is 13. Papyrus would be 20 and Undyne would be 24 based on their usernames.

I don't think that Deltarune confirms Chara is older. Kris is not Chara. They have an entirely different background and different story. I might even go as far as to say they have a different personality, from what we know of both Kris and Chara.

Also, Undertale absolutely gives evidence to Frisk's age. You yourself say that Chara and Frisk are most likely the same age. Chara is the narrator, they give you the choices. The choices you make are essentially Chara's options. Chara, as is every human being, is influenced by their maturity and their age. Also, things like "the toys don't interest you at all" show that you are too old for toys. Other little things that are similar to that do give evidence to Frisk's age. Frisk also does some things on their own that aren't in your control.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by HunterNotFrisk:

I don't think that Deltarune confirms Chara is older. Kris is not Chara. They have an entirely different background and different story. I might even go as far as to say they have a different personality, from what we know of both Kris and Chara.

I said Asriel was older than Chara.

As for Kris being Chara. . .
Kris likes chocolate.
Kris has an affinity for knives.
Kris is a human adopted by the Dreemurr family
Kris is Asriel's adoptive sibling.
Kris has a mysterious troubled past.
Kris is a bit of trickster and troublemaker.

Originally posted by HunterNotFrisk:

Also, Undertale absolutely gives evidence to Frisk's age. You yourself say that Chara and Frisk are most likely the same age. Chara is the narrator, they give you the choices. The choices you make are essentially Chara's options. Chara, as is every human being, is influenced by their maturity and their age. Also, things like "the toys don't interest you at all" show that you are too old for toys. Other little things that are similar to that do give evidence to Frisk's age. Frisk also does some things on their own that aren't in your control.

Chara is the narrator, yes. Frisk isn't a character, they're an avatar. We don't know what Frisk is actually like as a person because we never give them the chance to do that. WE make the choices, not Frisk.

"The toys don't interest you at all" line is to distinguish the player from Chara. Chara doesn't know Frisk is just a puppet being controlled by the player until post-genocide, so they assume our disinterest is Frisk's. It's also because they're Chara's toys, and it shows that the player and Chara aren't interested in the same things, this distinguishes Chara as a character, not a puppet avatar like Frisk is.

It's also unclear if the actions Frisk does on their own are actually Frisk's or Chara beginning to take control away from the player, which culminates in them destroying the game world.

[DJ Spicy Deluxe]

I like to think that whenever frisk does anything outside of the players control it’s frisk doing it, even if you’re making choices. For example if you choose to comfort Asriel it could be by hugging him or just saying something nice, since all you chose was to ‘comfort’ and Frisk decided to comfort him by hugging. Or for example in the true lab when you enter the room with the strange monster in the shower and slowly approach it, I like to think that Frisk was scared and was walking slower, even though the player clearly doesn't make them walk slow, it’s like a form of mind control that can only be overcome by a very strong will (determination?). Part of why I believe this is because of when Kris rips out the soul. Clearly it can control him but he has control too, and when the player isn’t in charge he follows his own rules, Kris is their own person but the soul can override him. This would kind of also explain why Flowey tells you to let Frisk live their life, to stop interfering. The exception to this would be at the very end of the genocide run, I think Chara takes control.

That’s my 2 cents anyway.