dumbs things about chara

[Fredito]

like there is a lot of them,so once for all,the truth need to be revealed so let's go
-no,megalovania isn't the ost of chara fighting sans but frisk/the player in genocide fighting sans,because yeah,chara killed sans and asgore (still with me?okay) but it was automatic,so if chara was fighting sans,the fight would be automatic
-no,chara isn't the full evil,i've seen this one EVERYWHERE,but why is she evil?(yes,i'm gonna say she but it's just my opinion so don't get mad about it)because she made the genocide run?no it's clearly not frisk fault,who killed everyone in the underground (but not sans and asgore)? yes frisk/the player,and if she erase the world,it's because,it absolutely useless to let a destroyed world alive.And if she really wanted to kill,is that the worst thing? i mean toriel want to kidnap a human child,sans is traumatizing childrens with death sentence,papyrus okay,he is the only one clear but undyne,she want to kill a human child,alphys is leting frisk in danger just to get attention,mettaton want to kill frisk just for his own profit,asgore he killed 6 humans childs and flowey,do i really need to explain myself on it? but we gived them a second chance,so they can try to be good,insult me if you want,but you will just make me even more happy (because i will see that you don't have any evidence)
i just wanted to say something else,if you want to make a fan art showing the fight and mercy options,use frisk for fight and asriel (not flowey,just goat kid) for mercy,because i don't see how a ghost without any attacks can hurt a monster
ps:sorry for my bad english,i'm just a french (lol baguette)

[Casual Amateur]

Careful not to start another flame war. People have their reason on Chara being bad or good. They both have reason to find other side theory make no sense.

[Fredito]

Originally posted by blowheaded:

Careful not to start another flame war. People have their reason on Chara being bad or good. They both have reason to find other side theory make no sense.

a flame war? what is this?

[DanEgbert]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

like there is a lot of them,so once for all,the truth need to be revealed so let's go
-no,megalovania isn't the ost of chara fighting sans but frisk/the player in genocide fighting sans,because yeah,chara killed sans and asgore (still with me?okay) but it was automatic,so if chara was fighting sans,the fight would be automatic

It's Sans' song, end of story.

-no,chara isn't the full evil,i've seen this one EVERYWHERE,but why is she evil?(yes,i'm gonna say she but it's just my opinion so don't get mad about it)because she made the genocide run?no it's clearly not frisk fault,who killed everyone in the underground (but not sans and asgore)? yes frisk/the player,and if she erase the world,it's because,it absolutely useless to let a destroyed world alive.And if she really wanted to kill,is that the worst thing? i mean toriel want to kidnap a human child,sans is traumatizing childrens with death sentence,papyrus okay,he is the only one clear but undyne,she want to kill a human child,alphys is leting frisk in danger just to get attention,mettaton want to kill frisk just for his own profit,asgore he killed 6 humans childs and flowey,do i really need to explain myself on it? but we gived them a second chance,so they can try to be good,insult me if you want,but you will just make me even more happy (because i will see that you don't have any evidence)

While I can't understand it that well, I think this says that Chara isn't evil because Frisk did the genocide route, and that the monsters are also evil. All I'll say is that even if Frisk did most of the genocide route, that doesn't mean that Chara isn't evil as well, because they helped the player with the kill count and Sans and Asgore.

[An Oddly Lit Room]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

Originally posted by blowheaded:

Careful not to start another flame war. People have their reason on Chara being bad or good. They both have reason to find other side theory make no sense.

a flame war? what is this?

Where people start a debate that delves into yelling and insults.

[Fredito]

Originally posted by Via Et Veritas Et Vita:

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

a flame war? what is this?

Where people start a debate that delves into yelling and insults.

oh,like in fnaf community

[An Oddly Lit Room]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

Originally posted by Via Et Veritas Et Vita:

Where people start a debate that delves into yelling and insults.

oh,like in fnaf community

No, more like in EVERY community.

[Mother of Exiles]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

no,chara isn't the full evil,i've seen this one EVERYWHERE,but why is she evil?(yes,i'm gonna say she but it's just my opinion so don't get mad about it)because she made the genocide run?no it's clearly not frisk fault,who killed everyone in the underground (but not sans and asgore)? yes frisk/the player,and if she erase the world,it's because,it absolutely useless to let a destroyed world alive.And if she really wanted to kill,is that the worst thing? i mean toriel want to kidnap a human child,sans is traumatizing childrens with death sentence,papyrus okay,he is the only one clear but undyne,she want to kill a human child,alphys is leting frisk in danger just to get attention,mettaton want to kill frisk just for his own profit,asgore he killed 6 humans childs and flowey,do i really need to explain myself on it? but we gived them a second chance,so they can try to be good,insult me if you want,but you will just make me even more happy (because i will see that you don't have any evidence)
i just wanted to say something else,if you want to make a fan art showing the fight and mercy options,use frisk for fight and asriel (not flowey,just goat kid) for mercy,because i don't see how a ghost without any attacks can hurt a monster

Hmm, alright, let's do this. I'll argue on genocide Chara's actions, and such

While yes, the player in genocide run did 99% of the killing, Chara did jump in with Sans and Asgore, and seemed very conrent to leave the world destroyed. Given that. She'd most likely end up doing the same.

Hmm, Toriel wanted to keep you from death, her sin really is letting a child walk right into a world that wants to kill them, and even then, she did try to stop them.

Sans, ehh. Besides a few moments in pacifist he protects you there, though genocide. Well. That child is a psychopath.

Undyne wants to free her people. Need I say more?

While yes, we can criticize Alphys for lying she did make sure everything was as safe as possible.

When did Mettaton talk about profit, something could be slipping my mind, but he wanted to be a star, which yeah. We can argue against him on that.

Asgore has the hope of his people resting on his shoulders, and now after he declared it, has followed suit with his promise to them. Not that bad. And say, unlike Undyne, Asgore didn't want to do it.

Flowey, eh. On the same level as Chara largely.

Chara's actions, wanting to kill the village, which ended up with Asriel dying, and we all know the course of action from there don't we. Then following your own lead, to kill Sans and Asgore, killing the literal world, making you sell your soul to erase it, and causing a world that would have been temporary to have lasting effects after a true reset. Which as far as we know, Chara goes on to kill others in true pacifist ending now. All in all, through genocide which is the only place we know of Chara. Chara is completely evil

[Fredito]

Originally posted by A Small Cup:

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

no,chara isn't the full evil,i've seen this one EVERYWHERE,but why is she evil?(yes,i'm gonna say she but it's just my opinion so don't get mad about it)because she made the genocide run?no it's clearly not frisk fault,who killed everyone in the underground (but not sans and asgore)? yes frisk/the player,and if she erase the world,it's because,it absolutely useless to let a destroyed world alive.And if she really wanted to kill,is that the worst thing? i mean toriel want to kidnap a human child,sans is traumatizing childrens with death sentence,papyrus okay,he is the only one clear but undyne,she want to kill a human child,alphys is leting frisk in danger just to get attention,mettaton want to kill frisk just for his own profit,asgore he killed 6 humans childs and flowey,do i really need to explain myself on it? but we gived them a second chance,so they can try to be good,insult me if you want,but you will just make me even more happy (because i will see that you don't have any evidence)
i just wanted to say something else,if you want to make a fan art showing the fight and mercy options,use frisk for fight and asriel (not flowey,just goat kid) for mercy,because i don't see how a ghost without any attacks can hurt a monster

Hmm, alright, let's do this. I'll argue on genocide Chara's actions, and such

While yes, the player in genocide run did 99% of the killing, Chara did jump in with Sans and Asgore, and seemed very conrent to leave the world destroyed. Given that. She'd most likely end up doing the same.

Hmm, Toriel wanted to keep you from death, her sin really is letting a child walk right into a world that wants to kill them, and even then, she did try to stop them.

Sans, ehh. Besides a few moments in pacifist he protects you there, though genocide. Well. That child is a psychopath.

Undyne wants to free her people. Need I say more?

While yes, we can criticize Alphys for lying she did make sure everything was as safe as possible.

When did Mettaton talk about profit, something could be slipping my mind, but he wanted to be a star, which yeah. We can argue against him on that.

Asgore has the hope of his people resting on his shoulders, and now after he declared it, has followed suit with his promise to them. Not that bad. And say, unlike Undyne, Asgore didn't want to do it.

Flowey, eh. On the same level as Chara largely.

Chara's actions, wanting to kill the village, which ended up with Asriel dying, and we all know the course of action from there don't we. Then following your own lead, to kill Sans and Asgore, killing the literal world, making you sell your soul to erase it, and causing a world that would have been temporary to have lasting effects after a true reset. Which as far as we know, Chara goes on to kill others in true pacifist ending now. All in all, through genocide which is the only place we know of Chara. Chara is completely evil

so,here we are again,for toriel,undyne,asgore,and a little bit for alphys and flowey,first of,remember the dinner at the MMT resort right?so here,sans is really how can i say that? oh yeah TRAUMATIZING,sorry for screaming (remember frisk is a child,would you say you'd be dead where you stand at a child who spared everyone?) mettaton,yes he say in his boss fight (EX) that he only want your soul to leave the underground (that's selfish as frick),flowey is pure evil,this thing is the real bad guy of undertale (in the neutral and pacifist run,because in genocide,it's you). okay now i'm getting into the "dangerous" part,she want to destroy her own village,yes but do you know what she lived in this village? it must be something really really hard,like seriously why a child want to commit sucide?maybe harrasment,maybe rape(don't laugh i've seen some peoples thinking that),maybe bully or even beat by her own parents and no asriel didn't die because chara wanted to destroy the village but because she wanted to free all the monsters(and also she choose to kill herself so asriel don't have to die). now for the pacifist run well,who said they were dead,i mean it's dumb but nobody say their dead,it's just maybe chara's revenge for killing their friends familly (remember she got adopted by the dreemur's) and who said after killing everyone,you deserve a happy ending?(yes i'm saying you because i've never made the genocide run but i've seen it)killing the world,hum yeah,she erase a empty world.Then the final,no,we don't only know of chara in genocide,we also know in pacifist and neutral,i'm gonna with the easy one neutral: the story that the monster are telling before you encounter asgore,they are talking about chara and asriel,that's were we know what happen to them and then in pacifist,it's really hard to see but when you've seen it,everything makes perfect sens,you know after release all of your friends from asriel,but there is still someone else to save: asriel dreemur,but what name do you scream? chara,because she was the best friend of asriel so without chara no happy ending conclusion: she isn't evil but she isn't nice,she is like 3/4 of the undertale cast,not always nice but not always evil,it depends on the player choice,if you choose pacifist,you show chara that killing is not always the good option,in genocide however,you show her that killing is the best answer,so she do what you learn to her,and to destroy once for all the theory like :chara is evil,we are talking about a 12 years old kid,do you really think a 12 years old kid want to kill everyone and if she want,she will never do it,she is a kid,if she try she will get instant rekt by the guards of the village

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

it must be something really really hard,like seriously why a child want to commit sucide?

If you talking about the part Chara fell into the hole and if you think game opening scene is Chara memory. It was actually more of an accident and you can see their feet got caught on tree root and you can see their hand rise above their head. It look like trying to grab some thing.

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

maybe bully or even beat by her own parents

Accounting to what Asriel said in pacifist run. He do not know why Chara hate humanity. So what you said is actually your personal head canon.

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

no asriel didn't die because chara wanted to destroy the village but because she wanted to free all the monsters(and also she choose to kill herself so asriel don't have to die).

When ever you think Asriel is dead or not. It is your your personal head canon. The only reason Asriel came back and become Flowey was that Alphys experimentation. Given determination to the Flower. Alphys got determination from six human soul.

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

she wanted to free all the monsters(and also she choose to kill herself so asriel don't have to die).

Accounting to underlab info information. We only get to hear part of their plan. The only information was to gather six human soul. Also asriel does not like the ideal. But go with it any way. There no way to know their true plan. This underlab video can be easily use to make a person being good and bad theory. Once again this your personal head canon.

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

you know after release all of your friends from asriel,but there is still someone else to save: asriel dreemur,but what name do you scream? chara,because she was the best friend of asriel so without chara no happy ending conclusion

Yes that your personal head canon. But never it say their name or say that frisk saw or think of those flash back from the past at all.

[Mother of Exiles]

When you press enter, it seperates your paragraphs, becuase ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you just made a wall of text like no other.

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

so,here we are again,for toriel,undyne,asgore,and a little bit for alphys and flowey,first of,remember the dinner at the MMT resort right?so here,sans is really how can i say that? oh yeah TRAUMATIZING,sorry for screaming (remember frisk is a child,would you say you'd be dead where you stand at a child who spared everyone?) mettaton,yes he say in his boss fight (EX) that he only want your soul to leave the underground (that's selfish as frick),flowey is pure evil,this thing is the real bad guy of undertale (in the neutral and pacifist run,because in genocide,it's you). okay now i'm getting into the "dangerous" part,she want to destroy her own village,yes but do you know what she lived in this village? it must be something really really hard,like seriously why a child want to commit sucide?maybe harrasment,maybe rape(don't laugh i've seen some peoples thinking that),maybe bully or even beat by her own parents and no asriel didn't die because chara wanted to destroy the village but because she wanted to free all the monsters(and also she choose to kill herself so asriel don't have to die). now for the pacifist run well,who said they were dead,i mean it's dumb but nobody say their dead,it's just maybe chara's revenge for killing their friends familly (remember she got adopted by the dreemur's) and who said after killing everyone,you deserve a happy ending?(yes i'm saying you because i've never made the genocide run but i've seen it)killing the world,hum yeah,she erase a empty world.Then the final,no,we don't only know of chara in genocide,we also know in pacifist and neutral,i'm gonna with the easy one neutral: the story that the monster are telling before you encounter asgore,they are talking about chara and asriel,that's were we know what happen to them and then in pacifist,it's really hard to see but when you've seen it,everything makes perfect sens,you know after release all of your friends from asriel,but there is still someone else to save: asriel dreemur,but what name do you scream? chara,because she was the best friend of asriel so without chara no happy ending conclusion: she isn't evil but she isn't nice,she is like 3/4 of the undertale cast,not always nice but not always evil,it depends on the player choice,if you choose pacifist,you show chara that killing is not always the good option,in genocide however,you show her that killing is the best answer,so she do what you learn to her,and to destroy once for all the theory like :chara is evil,we are talking about a 12 years old kid,do you really think a 12 years old kid want to kill everyone and if she want,she will never do it,she is a kid,if she try she will get instant rekt by the guards of the village

Judging by his quotes in genocide, Sans sees Frisk as no regular child. An anomaly, contrlling timelines. So yeah, here's the thing, he's pretty damn justified.

As far as I know that isn't talking about profit, he's talking about being a star, which yeah. Judging by the fact that he left Napstablook alone like that, he's selfish. This is not new.

Meh on the flower thing.

Still wanted to kill her village, which is evil. Wanting to take the lives of an entire town. It's evil.

Asriel died because Chara wanted them all dead, while yes this would free the monsters, she was trying to force him to kill, and he couldn't. He died from her bloodlust.

That argument doesn't work. There's all the other monsters, which she presumely at least kills the strongest of them. So, of in game context. Why do they not deserve it?

There's other monsters that survived us, towns people, the escapee's Alphys got away with, along with Alphys. The world is not empty, and Chara finishes off the rest.

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up my words, we only really meet Chara during genocide and see who the little ♥♥♥♥ is.

She is evil. All the Undertale cast more or less have justifications for their goals, while we can argue the village, killing the other monsters and preventing that happy ending for them. There's no good in that.

Given Chara's personality, yeah. She would want to kill everyone. The reason she was able to then was because of Asriel's body, which she used.
Though if you're talking about the monsters? Well, Frisk took them down, and Chara seems to be stronger.

[Fredito]

okay,because i'm getting really tired about saying the same thing at everyone,i let you see that video,my opinion about chara was made by that video https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs

[ψ -No.23-]

Chara's not evil, the player is the one controlling Frisk, Chara is not the embodiment of the player but a seperate entity.

[paw]

the only reason i did genocide was so i could experience the sans fight then i was going to reset. I kept blaming Chara for this somehow as if they were controlling me SOMEHOW which was a stupid excuse. But to be fair, i did literally CRY myself to sleep at the thought of killing Toriel since i have a lil Toriel plush that i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! And i pretended that i spared everyone cuz i "loved" them. But i really did it just to see what the pacifist route was like. I still felt bad after almost completing the genocide route before i finally reset not long after the undyne fight. I feel like i spare them because i feel like they dont deserve to die, do you think thats just another excuse?

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by TF2FR | freddy04:

okay,because i'm getting really tired about saying the same thing at everyone,i let you see that video,my opinion about chara was made by that video https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs

Keep mind that video mainly about their own opinion and their theory. It is just their way of seeing it. Most of the thing in that said in the video. Are never said/shown in the game it self. I just telling you what the game information self.