The Souls' CHARActerisitics

[LeeBA]

Justice, the concept of doing what is right. One might virulently admit that it is a force of pure goodness, but what is right does not always mean what is good. Unlike Kindness, Justice is a force that will fight injustices, no matter what. At it's best, it would fight for what is right in a world corrupted by broken tyranny. At worst, it could be a crusader, finishing off a long-kept blood debt. Either side is not afraid to kill or die. When the world goes crazy, even the innocent may not recognize the true evil, and may try to resist Justice. Justice is not a pacifist. Justice is simply a crusader for the ultimate truth. Justice would likely seek to kill Asgore for his actions, and would not try to spare, unless he, as a human paragon, felt his actions justified. To be honest with you, Justice would probably feel justified in killing the entire Underground. Perhaps not Genocide, but every monster who is not innocent would likely fall at the hands of Justice. Eye for an Eye is a very important metaphor in relation to Justice. Justice demands Justice, and if for whatever reason Justice and his allies have sensed wrongdoing, the culprits WILL face Justice as long as they still breath.





Patience, the ability to see everything as it truly is. While others would spring to action without a second thought, Patience gathers all possible information before making a decision on anything. While this doesn't make them an ultimate force of good, it does make them potentially the most habitually logical. Their power is probably the most unique to them and them alone, since most of the other paragons can almost be considered synonymous with its antithesis; Impatience. Justice can look before it leaps, Bravery rarely cares for details, and once Integrity has its mind on something, it's impossible to change. Determination thinks itself above consequences, so Determination goes forward despite said consequences, but Patience perhaps has thought a way around such a conundrum- all it takes is a bit of analysis to come up with the best solution without putting yourself, or others, at risk. Or perhaps all it takes is waiting for the perfect moment to strike, who can tell with the stoic and calm Patience? Patience's decision on how to handle Asgore would be one born of analysis. As anyone here knows, you can simply hang out in Waterfall, or Snowdin, or the Core as long as you want without Asgore himself coming to harm you. In fact, if you somehow found yourself unprepared for Asgore, he would let you go and take a walk, smell the flowers, before coming back to meet your destiny. Maybe Patience couldn't come to a good answer. Spare? Attack? In the end I suppose it didn't truly matter, careful analysis alone sometimes can't save the world, and Patience's soul would be added to Asgore's collection regardless. ... But perhaps Patience saw through even that? Maybe Patience saw the long game, and knew their soul would one day be used to not only break the barrier, but also end the second Monster war before it even began. None but the patient know of the intense deliberation used in their planning, but we all feel their effects!





Integrity, the ability to stand up for your beliefs in the face of any adversity. A more internalized version of Justice and a more outward version Perseverance. While Justice may be blinded by revenge, Determination blinded by goals, or Kindness blinded by pacifism, Integrity is unfettered and flexible. They follow a code of personal ethics, and may find themselves at odds with Justice at times, because sometimes someone's justice, and someone's integrity come into conflict with each other. What is right for the collective, or what is right for you? Integrity knows when to fight, and Integrity knows when to stop. That alone makes it the human paragon of self control. They would very likely spare Asgore, because they would recognize his intentions, and that he too is a man of Integrity, though muddled with being forced to make inhuman, grizzly decisions on behalf of his empire, he did those things in the name of his people. Integrity would find a middle ground, a perfect world for humans and monsters, while still being able to defend themselves, unlike Kindness.





Kindness, the concept of being able to solve the world's problems through cooperation and open mindedness. One might say that it's a global force of good, yet Kindness might turn a blind eye to some problems in the pursuit of living in harmony. "Get along" they might say, while two sides fight for what they believe is right. Sometimes kindness alone cannot save the world. While arguably the most "Pure" of the human paragons, Kindness suffers from an overriding weakness, in that its nature cannot be overpowered, and living as a true pacifist would mean that they would sooner die than kill, and die they shall.
Kindness would without a doubt spare Asgore, and through their various exploits, they would come to understand the people of the Underground, and anything but a life of a pacifist would not be fitting for the human paragon.





Perseverance, the ability to stand your ground against indomitable odds. The Yin to Determination's Yang, Perseverance can stand up to anything. They will take a punch and turn the other cheek. They will live long enough to see the world go crazy, and they alone will understand why. Their nature makes them the front line, the ability to stand up not just against physical harm, but mental abuse. Girding themselves against the enemy, they cannot be stopped except by Determination, its antithesis. While Determination is the ability to move forward no matter what, Perseverance is the ability to be dauntless and unmoving. It's hard to say which would win. Perseverance would likely be split in their decision of how to handle Asgore. I would argue that it would vary from human to human, much like Determination. Though Perseverance might be able to withstand Asgore's crimes and attacks, they might recognize that others would not. If monsterkind wishes to declare war on Humanity, Perseverance will not back down.





Bravery, the ability to not only stand up against incomprehensible terror, but maintain a steady head when doing so. So few are those who are willing to face the true darkness of humanity and show up on the other side, glistening and clean. Their power is unique, but often misunderstood. Bravery can stand up to any other paragon, even if that paragon is right, even if that paragon is wrong, and they will fight until one side is dead. Unlike Determination, with Bravery, you only have ONE shot! No going back, no hesitation, no resets. Everything Bravery lives for is in the moment, there is no backwards, there is no backpedaling, there is only another fight. Not afraid to die, not afraid to lose, because they know that if they lose, it's all over. There's no time for doubt, no time for holding back! They may be driven by honor, or love, or glory, or just plain bloodlust, but Bravery changes the world in so many ways. It topples oppressive regimes, destroys horrible castles, and in the end, soaked with blood and bile, they die how they lived- in battle. Bravery, without a doubt, would be fighting hand in hand with Justice in bringing Asgore down. Humanity, the warrior's home, threatened by an ancient and feared enemy. It's quite possible that Bravery didn't fall into the Underground, it's more possible that they jumped. Asgore would prove a worthy adversary, and Bravery would die in glory, their soul moving on to fulfill a greater purpose. Not even death stops bravery, who fears nothing, knowing that in the future, all actions have purpose; even death!





Determination, the Ability to move forward despite any possible hardship, the promise to return for a second chance no matter how much you're beaten and bloody. The power of Determination has sculpted legends for all of humanity, impossible feats, one in a million shots made like they're nothing, while those that pull them off stand alone. Enigmatic and masterful in execution, Determination is capable of embodying the positive and negative aspects of any part of humanity, capable of both mercy and murder, friendship and scorn, creation and destruction- and this is not just from the prospect of a forward marching timeline. Determination believes themselves above consequences, and it's never a question of "Right or Wrong" but instead "Right AND Wrong". Determination will not stop with saving the world, Determination will continue to destroy it as well, seeing their lives flash through their eyes simply because they've tasted the other side and want more. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you fixate your single burning eye on a human of Determination, feign being their friend for the chance of them being satisfied with with a happy ending, but gird yourself and never trust them... they might just be a Dirty Brother Killer. Further, the Ability to see all and destroy all, the inability to form lasting connections, a burning curiosity that destroys all around it, seeking to de-legitimize the innocence of humanity. An ambition to get revenge on all those who have wronged you, even if you are destroyed in the progress, the antithesis of Perseverance, the ruling force of humanity and its single biggest enemy. Humanity's worst enemy is itself, and from the primeval jungle we beat back the rest of mother nature and continue to strike at each other! Bravery stands up to Determination, unfearing of the death they know is to come. No matter how much more skilled Bravery is than Determination, Determination will find a way to grind them into the dust. It's inevitable. Justice would force Determination to answer for their crimes, but Justice too will fall to the endless power of the Blood Red Soul.
Under the burning human sun, Kindness and Patience can't bring themselves to fight the inevitable, and instead only help as much as they can. Determination has no interest in the weak, and never has. From far away, aware enough to never be in sight or in mind, Integrity turns their back on the unstoppable force that is Determination. Determination will spare Asgore. Determination will kill Asgore. It's no difference, they exist in a superposition where they can do both. They can be the good guy, and the bad guy, but DETERMINATION will break the cycle. The world will grind to a halt and soon darkness will override everything. The only way to stop Determination is with DETERMINATION. The demons that haunt us at night and seek to plunge our very world into darkness are nothing but a barrier to stop us from doing it ourselves. We are our own worst enemies, and nothing but the crippling abyss, the antithesis of our own capacities can change that. Determination is everything, the abyss is nothing.
But maybe, just maybe, at the very end of the path, a single human with the Power of Determination can break the cycle of suffering, and free the monsters from their bondage, and leave the world alone. Capable of toppling even gods, Determination's convictions are their own, and impossible to predict. Frisk. Chara. Mere children, sculpting the fate of civilizations thousands of years older than themselves. Starting wars, ending wars, killing, sparing, and deciding the destinies of billions. It's... funny. I don't seem to remember how their story ends. That's just how Determination is, it makes a mockery of the history books. After all, it's hard to recite exactly how and why they decide to turn on everything they've built and just kill everyone.

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Whoa. Deep

[Kain]

Look, its all interesting but, you could have shaved off a lot of the flourishes and aimless rambling. You have a point, but I don't feel like sifting through all that filler.

You know about justice, perseverance, determination and whatever, learn a bit about Succinctness.

[Stephanie]

Originally posted by Kain:

Look, its all interesting but, you could have shaved off a lot of the flourishes and aimless rambling. You have a point, but I don't feel like sifting through all that filler.

You know about justice, perseverance, determination and whatever, learn a bit about Succinctness.

Succ haha

[LeeBA]

What you

Originally posted by Kain:

Look, its all interesting but, you could have shaved off a lot of the flourishes and aimless rambling. You have a point, but I don't feel like sifting through all that filler.

You know about justice, perseverance, determination and whatever, learn a bit about Succinctness.

What you may consider fillers, I consider simpler phrasing of my statement. To make my point clear, I rephrase it several times. I apologize if this was inconvenient for you.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

This is fine and all, but how exactly do these assessments of the SOUL traits connect to Undertale? How are they used within the game as a way to emphasize your points?

For instance, how does the aspect of Justice tie into characters like Mettaton and Alphys, who are both seen to imprint this trait onto your SOUL during battle? Same goes for Sans and Papyrus with Integrity, Undyne with Kindness, and Muffet with Perserverance.

[Aquidu]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

This is fine and all, but how exactly do these assessments of the SOUL traits connect to Undertale? How are they used within the game as a way to emphasize your points?

For instance, how does the aspect of Justice tie into characters like Mettaton and Alphys, who are both seen to imprint this trait onto your SOUL during battle? Same goes for Sans and Papyrus with Integrity, Undyne with Kindness, and Muffet with Perserverance.

Maybe rather than the monsters having the traits, YOU have to "have" the traits.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Orangeness:

What you

Originally posted by Kain:

Look, its all interesting but, you could have shaved off a lot of the flourishes and aimless rambling. You have a point, but I don't feel like sifting through all that filler.

You know about justice, perseverance, determination and whatever, learn a bit about Succinctness.

What you may consider fillers, I consider simpler phrasing of my statement. To make my point clear, I rephrase it several times. I apologize if this was inconvenient for you.

That's my point, you're not using simpler and succinct phrases, but rambling.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Mountain Dewritos:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

This is fine and all, but how exactly do these assessments of the SOUL traits connect to Undertale? How are they used within the game as a way to emphasize your points?

For instance, how does the aspect of Justice tie into characters like Mettaton and Alphys, who are both seen to imprint this trait onto your SOUL during battle? Same goes for Sans and Papyrus with Integrity, Undyne with Kindness, and Muffet with Perserverance.

Maybe rather than the monsters having the traits, YOU have to "have" the traits.

Well no, because Papyrus refers to the ability to change your SOUL to Integrity as his "special blue attack" as if it's him that's causing it to happen.

[LeeBA]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Mountain Dewritos:

Maybe rather than the monsters having the traits, YOU have to "have" the traits.

Well no, because Papyrus refers to the ability to change your SOUL to Integrity as his "special blue attack" as if it's him that's causing it to happen.

However, Papyrus stated that he had another special attack in store, which was his original special attack. It is possible that Frisk's SOUL houses all seven traits, yet DETERMINATION is the dominant and most prevalent trait of those seven. As in, Frisk is able to utilize the abilities of the other traits, yet he/she does not consider it their primary trait.