Did Toriel prevent an early game over?[SPOILERS]

[user]

I think Sans was an antagonist before he promised Toriel, that he will protect us(the main protagonist). My theory is that Sans was going to kill Frisk if Toriel didn't ask him to make a promise, therefore she prevented an early game over. In a weird way in the Pacifist Run he says that he if he did not make that promise "You'd be dead where you stand". Then he washes it off saying he's just kidding. My theory is that he was not kidding and that Toriel actually saved us.

[GreenPitchforks]

But Vlad, I do agree with one point of your original contention. Toriel did stop an early game over, just not the way you think, if it weren't for toriel, flowey would have killed us

[user]

Originally posted by The guy from yesterday:

But Vlad, I do agree with one point of your original contention. Toriel did stop an early game over, just not the way you think, if it weren't for toriel, flowey would have killed us

Wait what? I do not mean that. I mean was Sans actually going to kill us if Toriel did not force him to make the promise.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Vlad :):

Originally posted by The guy from yesterday:

But Vlad, I do agree with one point of your original contention. Toriel did stop an early game over, just not the way you think, if it weren't for toriel, flowey would have killed us

Wait what? I do not mean that. I mean was Sans actually going to kill us if Toriel did not force him to make the promise.

Yeh but Flowey was gunna kill you first...

[user]

Originally posted by The guy from yesterday:

Originally posted by mauS:

Yeh, this too. Sans has always been serious when his eyes dissapear, he has never joked or been silly. He always means business when his eyes dissapear.

Well, if I was to make a joke of that calibre, I would put on a serious face too.
The point of the joke was to get a fear response out of the protagonist, which you can achieve by putting on a serious face.

Sans' eyes ALWAYS dissapear when he is deadly serious. Also he wont throw threats around in the Pacifist Run if he is weak. So Sans could have killed us if he wanted. You never throw around threats when you're weak you know?

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Vlad :):

Originally posted by The guy from yesterday:

Well, if I was to make a joke of that calibre, I would put on a serious face too.
The point of the joke was to get a fear response out of the protagonist, which you can achieve by putting on a serious face.

Sans' eyes ALWAYS dissapear when he is deadly serious. Also he wont throw threats around in the Pacifist Run if he is weak. So Sans could have killed us if he wanted. You never throw around threats when you're weak you know?

Just don't bother anymore dude.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Vlad :):

Originally posted by The guy from yesterday:

Well, if I was to make a joke of that calibre, I would put on a serious face too.
The point of the joke was to get a fear response out of the protagonist, which you can achieve by putting on a serious face.

Sans' eyes ALWAYS dissapear when he is deadly serious. Also he wont throw threats around in the Pacifist Run if he is weak. So Sans could have killed us if he wanted. You never throw around threats when you're weak you know?

Well, we have to look at this in a different way.

Sans is a comedian, he makes bad jokes, and when he's on stage, probably good jokes. Thing is, even a borderline incompetent comedian would know that different facial expressions for different jokes is actually a functional comedy technique to snap a laugh out of the spectator.

For example, if you make a joke with something like "This restaurant is X because of Y even though i asked for Z she gave me T" on-stage in objective of insult the restaurant, you should make angry facial expressions and hand expressions if avalaible to fully make the joke... well, the joke.

In this case, a guy completely stationary telling the joke with both hands on microphone on stage is way less funny than a person telling the joke moving around the stage making full use of facial and hand expressions.

So, if Sans is a competent comedian, he would have to make a serious face for such sadistic joke. Even though i dislike is genocide character, we have to mention that when he tricks you on his battle, he also makes use of facial expression and hand expressions.

[Wisp]

Originally posted by EUI Tonto.ie:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

He doesn't even do anything in genocide

It's obvious you haven't played all of genoside because... HE SHOULD HECKFULY DOES

He doesnt, he dissapears for half the game, then suddenly comes back for one easy fight, all the routes were just dissapointing.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Vlad :):

Karma?? Strong points?? What the f*ck did I miss an update? Who said that KR means Karma. There is no evidence. Sans is the strongest character in the game.I agree with ItsSuperNova

KR is probably Karma because there is nothing else in the game it could be, but it seems to be only the "poisoning" effect that his attacks do to you.

Every other thing in the battle is cheating. Sans isn't actually strong.
He even uses a basic cheat: taking two turns in a row.
He also removes invincibility frames, and he dodges almost every attack.
Sans refers to the player as a "dirty hacker" if they get an impossible ending by messing with the files, proving that Sans does have knowledge of the game itself, so it's possible for him to have the ability to cheat.

The game refers to him as the easiest enemy, and it's true. Sure, he appears to be strong, but that is because he is cheating.

If he wasn't cheating, you could one-shot him nothing but with paper.

[Serosaki]

Do you guys really think Sans wouldn't be able to kill anyone who fights him unprepared?
Even if there are invincibility frames and every hit only does one damage, he would still get lots of hits if his attack pattern and quantity stay the same. Of course you wouldn't die as fast as in the genocide fight, but i am pretty sure it would still be one of the hardest fights in the game, even when playing pacifist (i.e. with 20 HP).
Maybe you would be able to beat him after only a few tries, but that doesn't change the fact that he would kill you at least once if you have never seen his attack pattern before, even if you have a inventory full of healing items. He just has too many and too fast attacks.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Serosaki:

Do you guys really think Sans wouldn't be able to kill anyone who fights him unprepared?
Even if there are invincibility frames and every hit only does one damage, he would still get lots of hits if his attack pattern and quantity stay the same. Of course you wouldn't die as fast as in the genocide fight, but i am pretty sure it would still be one of the hardest fights in the game, even when playing pacifist (i.e. with 20 HP).
Maybe you would be able to beat him after only a few tries, but that doesn't change the fact that he would kill you at least once if you have never seen his attack pattern before, even if you have a inventory full of healing items. He just has too many and too fast attacks.

His damage would be so low i'm pretty sure two healing items should outheal his entire battle.

[Serosaki]

I am not so sure about that, invincibility frames only last for like 1 or 2 seconds, and if you play it for the first time you WILL get hit. A lot.

Does anyone know a way to create this scenario, by editing the files of the game? Like, removing the purple damage, add normal invincibility frames and having 20 HP max.
Would be interesting to see how people who haven't played Undertale that long would handle the fight under these conditions.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Serosaki:

I am not so sure about that, invincibility frames only last for like 1 or 2 seconds, and if you play it for the first time you WILL get hit. A lot.

Does anyone know a way to create this scenario, by editing the files of the game? Like, removing the purple damage, add normal invincibility frames and having 20 HP max.
Would be interesting to see how people who haven't played Undertale to long would handle the fight under these conditions.

Even if you play for the first time, you don't even need to fully learn the patterns because of his extremely low damage rate. Remember that every single hit will deal only 1 damage and activate the invencibility frames. Get all the monster candy you can and all you need to do is sit back, sponging his damage, and when you're low, heal. This way you can beat him with zero effort whatsoever and because of how many healing items the game has, you won't be losing too much.

[Lain]

Do i also need to mention that with Stained Apron you are almost invencible when fighting him?

[Lain]

Originally posted by Kat-Kun:

Originally posted by Megumin:

Do i also need to mention that with Stained Apron you are almost invencible when fighting him?

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't played the game in a while, but the Stained Apron is obtained in Hotland, and Sans would most likely be fought in Snowdin because it's where you first meet him, so you wouldn't be able to get the Stained Apron.

Yes, you're right; and i was aware of that, i just wanted to mention it.

[Lord Egg]

Nope




If Toriel had already made sans promise not to kill you she would have let you leave


Meaning the promise was made AFTER you went through

Sans greets you after leaving the ruins.