(SPOILERS) Sans injected with patience and justice

[Mr.R]

I've seen a lot of people talking about how Sans is injected with detrmination,but I disagree with this. I don't think Sans is strong enough to handle determination and keep his body together.What i think is that Sans has been injected with The traits of Patience and justice which might be weak enough that a monster can keep themselves together. Most of the evidence for this is Sans eye which flashes light blue and yellow when he throws you around against the walls of the box.Another thing is that if these 2 trait's are weaker than determination than it would explain why Sans eyes only flash during the fight while Undyne the undying's eyes is shooting spear's out of it,because the determination within her is unstable.
But most of this is pure speculation and the theory doesn't hold up too well. What are your thoughts ?

[Quaz]

I think it's possible that Sans has been injected with 'SOUL magic' (I call it that for that simplicity sake) as it would explain why he is so weak. A lot of his power is being used to keep himself together, so his health is very low and so is his attack. He is obviously a very skilled combatant, I just think that he is weak because most of his power is being used to hold himself together.

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by mauS:

I think it's possible that Sans has been injected with 'SOUL magic' (I call it that for that simplicity sake) as it would explain why he is so weak. A lot of his power is being used to keep himself together, so his health is very low and so is his attack. He is obviously a very skilled combatant, I just think that he is weak because most of his power is being used to hold himself together.

But how does that power effect his stat's.Stats are a representation for how strong a monster is. Sans's stat's should be much higher.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

Originally posted by mauS:

I think it's possible that Sans has been injected with 'SOUL magic' (I call it that for that simplicity sake) as it would explain why he is so weak. A lot of his power is being used to keep himself together, so his health is very low and so is his attack. He is obviously a very skilled combatant, I just think that he is weak because most of his power is being used to hold himself together.

But how does that power effect his stat's.stats are a representation for how strong a monster is. Sans's stat's should be much higher.

Monsters use magic to attack. We don't fully understand magic, all we know is that they use it for their attacks. We also know that for children to grow, they drain the magic of their parents until they die and turn to dust. So, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that because that monster is pouring magic into their child so it can grow, that their attack strength will go down because they have less magic in them. So I think Sans uses most of his magic to keep himself together, causing him to be tired most of the time as well as his multiple jobs, and causing him to be weaker, he has to use the power he'd normally use to attack to keep himself together. Of course, he gets around this with KR and bypassing i-frames.

[DanEgbert]

I used to think he had some sort of Patience and Justice in him, until I looked deeper and realized two things.
1. The eye colors are different than the SOUL colors.
2. All SOUL colors are gray in the files, just colored by coding, while Sans' eyes are already colored in.

[Wolfplays]

As much as I find this theory interesting, there are many things to suggest that's not the case.

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by ItsSuperNova:

I used to think he had some sort of Patience and Justice in him, until I looked deeper and realized two things.
1. The eye colors are different than the SOUL colors.
2. All SOUL colors are gray in the files, just colored by coding, while Sans' eyes are already colored in.

Canonically they do have colur and how are the coulour's in his eye different to the colours of the souls ?

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by lesleepetrick:

As much as I find this theory interesting, there are many things to suggest that's not the case.

Yeah,this theory is really weak,but present your argument's if you want to I want to see other people's opinion's.

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by mauS:

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

But how does that power effect his stat's.stats are a representation for how strong a monster is. Sans's stat's should be much higher.

Monsters use magic to attack. We don't fully understand magic, all we know is that they use it for their attacks. We also know that for children to grow, they drain the magic of their parents until they die and turn to dust. So, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that because that monster is pouring magic into their child so it can grow, that their attack strength will go down because they have less magic in them. So I think Sans uses most of his magic to keep himself together, causing him to be tired most of the time as well as his multiple jobs, and causing him to be weaker, he has to use the power he'd normally use to attack to keep himself together. Of course, he gets around this with KR and bypassing i-frames.

We know that Boss monster's do this but the source specificially mention's Boss monster's not monster's in general.

[Quaz]

This is about Sans, and Sans is a boss monster. I don't reallyg et what you're trying to say though?

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by mauS:

This is about Sans, and Sans is a boss monster. I don't reallyg et what you're trying to say though?

But if Sans was a boss monster why don't we hear his soul breaking ? What I'm trying to say is that what you said only applies to boss monster's not all monster's.Ordinary monster's don't grow weak with children.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

Originally posted by mauS:

This is about Sans, and Sans is a boss monster. I don't reallyg et what you're trying to say though?

But if Sans was a boss monster why don't we hear his soul breaking ? What I'm trying to say is that what you said only applies to boss monster's not all monster's.Ordinary monster's don't grow weak with children.

I'm not even convinced he's dead tbh. But I'm too tired to bother rn.

[Mr.R]

Originally posted by mauS:

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

But if Sans was a boss monster why don't we hear his soul breaking ? What I'm trying to say is that what you said only applies to boss monster's not all monster's.Ordinary monster's don't grow weak with children.

I'm not even convinced he's dead tbh. But I'm too tired to bother rn.

What makes you think that ? If you're too tired to reply properly have some rest.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

Originally posted by mauS:

I'm not even convinced he's dead tbh. But I'm too tired to bother rn.

What makes you think that ? If you're too tired to reply properly have some rest.

I'm doing like a bajillion things at once so I can't really rest, but in a nutshell of why I think he not dead: We never saw him die, I remember something about a kill count and it not going up, and also I think the spare noise and kill noise are the same.

[Archimime]

I do think his eye flashing the same colours as those souls was intentional, but I don't think you CAN extract other traits? Alphys got Determination from all the human souls, right? But the logs don't mention extracting anything else. If she got liquid bravery, she'd probably want to use that on herself, right?

Originally posted by mauS:

I'm doing like a bajillion things at once so I can't really rest, but in a nutshell of why I think he not dead: We never saw him die, I remember something about a kill count and it not going up, and also I think the spare noise and kill noise are the same.

But your LOVE increases to 20 after Sans' fight, and you need EXP for that.
Also, the second attack to Sans that actually damages him happened by itself, you don't have to press Fight twice, which probably means Chara did it, since it's definitely them that kills Asgore without imput, so that could be why the kill count didn't go up, it wasn't Frisk's kill.

He DOES go offscreen, though, so it is up for interpretation, this is just a possible counter argument.


Also, a 'Boss Monster' is a specific kind of monster, not actually the boss monsters you fight as bosses. It's what Toriel and Asgore are, they're stronger than others.

['Merica]

Originally posted by arjunsreejithnambiar:

I've seen a lot of people talking about how Sans is injected with detrmination,but I disagree with this. I don't think Sans is strong enough to handle determination and keep his body together.What i think is that Sans has been injected with The traits of Patience and justice which might be weak enough that a monster can keep themselves together. Most of the evidence for this is Sans eye which flashes light blue and yellow when he throws you around against the walls of the box.Another thing is that if these 2 trait's are weaker than determination than it would explain why Sans eyes only flash during the fight while Undyne the undying's eyes is shooting spear's out of it,because the determination within her is unstable.
But most of this is pure speculation and the theory doesn't hold up too well. What are your thoughts ?

I have a theory, it's a little weird but bear with me here.

What if HUMANS don't have the only type of DT? What if all monsters have a level of MDT (monster determination). And a monster can only have as much DT as MDT. Just saying....