Asgore in Genocide route

[Saphayla]

I have a question. Asgore has 6 human souls, which he could use to obliterate the player. Flowey even mentions that the reason he didn't outright kill the player is because Asgore could still beat him.

But, in the Genocide route, Sans is the final enemy, not Asgore. Why is that? Why didn't Asgore flee (probably to the True Lab) with Alphys and the others, or absorb the 6 souls and fight the player, but instead, somehow, didn't even know what was going on, and was flowering his bloody flowers while his kingdom was being slaughtered!

[Exarch_Alpha]

Asgore simply lacked determination. It´s that simple.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

The True Lab is hidden away from her main lab. You only go to her main lab not to the True Lab. She can still very well be hidden in the True Lab. My point still stands.

...I was not trying to disagree with you. I quoted what you said and what I said earlier, because we both had the exact same idea. And I was talking about the regular Lab, not the True Lab.

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

6 soul asgore would sure make a good bossfight.

Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js18qsMc6ng
It's way over the top with effects, but that's the general idea.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

The True Lab is hidden away from her main lab. You only go to her main lab not to the True Lab. She can still very well be hidden in the True Lab. My point still stands.

She could also have commit suicide. Pretty dark, but it fits with her character. It's really down to your interpration, but that's what I always thought.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by mauS:

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

The True Lab is hidden away from her main lab. You only go to her main lab not to the True Lab. She can still very well be hidden in the True Lab. My point still stands.

She could also have commit suicide. Pretty dark, but it fits with her character. It's really down to your interpration, but that's what I always thought.

I'm pretty sure she went to the True Lab, anyway. She tried to hide there. Whether she decided to come out eventually or commited suicide is unknown, but seeing as everyone she cares for is dead, I think the latter is very likely.

Damn, Genocide is just so... depressing. In the beginning everyone is friendly, and you betray them. Then their attitude changes, and everyone knows they can't stop you, but still hope and try. Not only that, but doing so kind of damages all the relationships you've made in the True Pacifist, which is exactly what Flowey was talking about (with the whole "just to see what happens" attitude.)

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by mauS:

She could also have commit suicide. Pretty dark, but it fits with her character. It's really down to your interpration, but that's what I always thought.

I'm pretty sure she went to the True Lab, anyway. She tried to hide there. Whether she decided to come out eventually or commited suicide is unknown, but seeing as everyone she cares for is dead, I think the latter is very likely.

Damn, Genocide is just so... depressing. In the beginning everyone is friendly, and you betray them. Then their attitude changes, and everyone knows they can't stop you, but still hope and try. Not only that, but doing so kind of damages all the relationships you've made in the True Pacifist.

That's more or less the point of genocide, and why the game works hard to make sure you don't go it by accident. You're supposed to form relationships and bonds between the characters, so if you decide to do genocide, you get heart broken. It's supposed to teach that you're not above consequences which is why unless you go out of your way to delete the game files, it will leave a permanent mark on your game.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by mauS:

That's more or less the point of genocide, and why the game works hard to make sure you don't go it by accident. You're supposed to form relationships and bonds between the characters, so if you decide to do genocide, you get heart broken. It's supposed to teach that you're not above consequences which is why unless you go out of your way to delete the game files, it will leave a permanent mark on your game.

And that's what I love about it. It's also why I decided to not do the Genocide route. I kind of worked around it by watching other people play it, so I know what it's about, but I don't want to do it on my own.

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by mauS:

That's more or less the point of genocide, and why the game works hard to make sure you don't go it by accident. You're supposed to form relationships and bonds between the characters, so if you decide to do genocide, you get heart broken. It's supposed to teach that you're not above consequences which is why unless you go out of your way to delete the game files, it will leave a permanent mark on your game.

And that's what I love about it. It's also why I decided to not do the Genocide route. I kind of worked around it by watching other people play it, so I know what it's about, but I don't want to do it on my own.

I watched most of it, and did it just to fight Sans.

Needless to say, I had a bad time. When I did beat him though, I had no idea what came next because I didn't eatch the end of genocide... so... that was a surprise. I tend to do it every now and then because I'm a complete monster that feels satisfaction from destroying the lives of those that I love and once loved me.

Also the fights are fun.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by mauS:

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

And that's what I love about it. It's also why I decided to not do the Genocide route. I kind of worked around it by watching other people play it, so I know what it's about, but I don't want to do it on my own.

I watched most of it, and did it just to fight Sans.

Needless to say, I had a bad time. When I did beat him though, I had no idea what came next because I didn't eatch the end of genocide... so... that was a surprise.

The worst part about Genocide is that, at first, it's very sad (especially Toriel), then it becomes grinding just to get this over with, and an ocassional boss fight, which is so hard that you are happy when you beat it, which throws you even deeper in this genocidal mentality

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by mauS:

I watched most of it, and did it just to fight Sans.

Needless to say, I had a bad time. When I did beat him though, I had no idea what came next because I didn't eatch the end of genocide... so... that was a surprise.

The worst part about Genocide is that, at first, it's very sad (especially Toriel), then it becomes grinding just to get this over with, and an ocassional boss fight, which is so hard that you are happy when you beat it, which throws you even deeper in this genocidal mentality

That's partly why I love it so much. At first, you are reluctant to do it and so sad when you do... You don't want to do it, but you have to. To see what happens [Like Flowey ;) ] And then when it becomes grindy, you just want to get it done with, and the whole Undyne and Sans thing. It's satisfying, and even enjoyable. Which, considering the way Undertale is written, makes me feel like a genocidal monster just saying that.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by mauS:

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

The worst part about Genocide is that, at first, it's very sad (especially Toriel), then it becomes grinding just to get this over with, and an ocassional boss fight, which is so hard that you are happy when you beat it, which throws you even deeper in this genocidal mentality

That's partly why I love it so much. At first, you are reluctant to do it and so sad when you do... You don't want to do it, but you have to. To see what happens [Like Flowey ;) ] And then when it becomes grindy, you just want to get it done with, and the whole Undyne and Sans thing. It's satisfying, and even enjoyable. Which, considering the way Undertale is written, makes me feel like a genocidal monster just saying that.

Yeah. When you think about it, it really puts the player in a bad light, and shows just how well Undertale is made.

True Pacifist immerses you in the world and makes you emotionally attached to the characters. Then you start de-immersing yourself and start treating it like a game again, where you can choose whatever you want, so you do the Genocide run to check out more content, but the game constantly reminds you that you're a bad person for doing so and that, just because you have the power to do everything, doesn't mean you should.

[Fern]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by mauS:

That's partly why I love it so much. At first, you are reluctant to do it and so sad when you do... You don't want to do it, but you have to. To see what happens [Like Flowey ;) ] And then when it becomes grindy, you just want to get it done with, and the whole Undyne and Sans thing. It's satisfying, and even enjoyable. Which, considering the way Undertale is written, makes me feel like a genocidal monster just saying that.

Yeah. When you think about it, it really puts the player in a bad light, and shows just how well Undertale is made.

True Pacifist immerses you in the world and makes you emotionally attached to the characters. Then you start de-immersing yourself and start treating it like a game again, where you can choose whatever you want, so you do the Genocide run to check out more content, but the game constantly reminds you that you're a bad person for doing so and that, just because you have the power to do everything, doesn't mean you should.

I actually like the genocide route because it is so dark. But then again I have a pretty dark humour and I haven't really felt sad when killing any of the characters.

I enjoyed their pain and suffering!

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

I have a pretty dark humour and I haven't really felt sad when killing any of the characters.

I'm not sure what qualifies as dark humour, but killing people falls outside the realm of humour in my opinion. I felt really bad killing Toriel and Papyrus when they spared me.

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

I enjoyed their pain and suffering!

Hmm...
You're Flowey, aren'tcha?
Someone has to teach you proper manners.
I guess little ol' me will have to do won't be enough, though

[Fern]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

I have a pretty dark humour and I haven't really felt sad when killing any of the characters.

I'm not sure what qualifies as dark humour, but killing people falls outside the realm of humour in my opinion. I felt really bad killing Toriel and Papyrus when they spared me.

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

I enjoyed their pain and suffering!

:O

What I meant with that is that I don't mind dark stuff not that I find it funny. As this is just a game I have no problems with killing them and actually enjoy the dark atmosphere the game has on genocide. Fits the run well.

[Saphayla]

Originally posted by Princess Rosalina:

What I meant with that is that I don't mind dark stuff not that I find it funny. As this is just a game I have no problems with killing them and actually enjoy the dark atmosphere the game has on genocide. Fits the run well.

I undertand. I too can see that Genocide route is done very well and really captures the essense of what you're doing and makes it quite real, which is what you're talking about. I can appreciate its quality, but I still choose not to engage due to my attachment to the characters.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Margaret Borowski:

Originally posted by mauS:

You only fight Asriel on the pacifist route, so that's irrelavant because you have no idea if you could kill him if you were LV 20.

Flowey didn't murder you because he was scared ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of you. He was shaking, he knew you were able to kill him with ease.

Asuming Asgore did absorb the souls, they could probably sense the evil in the human, just as Sans knows you are not really human. And besides, considering that Chara was able to destryo the timeline and slash at the screen, they could probably kill Asgore if he absorbed the souls.

Asriel has 9999 defense. You can't do crap to him.

Flowey expresses fear only of you choose the genocide path. Otherwise he seems to keep a close eye on you, but never attack you, despite expressing interest in doing so in the beginning.

I don't really know how Chara ties into all of this, so I can't reply to this part.

9999 defense doesn't really matter if your opponent can deal 99999999999999999999+ damage.