How the hell do i get rid of this random rule? WTF

[The Slender Man]

I went through all these games to get great cards now everyoe wants to play random.. wtf.. How do i get this rule Abolished like they Abolished Open.. Im on Disc 3 now btw.. totally ruins my ability to play the card game..

[every1hasnames]

First, if this region doesn't have "Open", go and play a game in a region that has it... like Balamb (for default). Now, go to the region where you want to abolish the rule and save the game near a "playable" person. If you try to play with that person, he/she will ask you to mix rules, select "Yes" and, in the Triple Triad screen, select "Quit". Several things might happen (in no specific order):

1. Open rule spread
2. Random rule abolished
3. Same rule abolished
4. Plus rule abolished
5. Nothing, AND the person won't ask to mix rules again.
6. Nothing, AND the person will ask to mix rules again.

If you get 6, you can ask the person again. If you get 1 or 5, restart the game (L1 + L2 + R1 + R2 + Select + Start). If you get 2, 3 or 4; good! When you abolish a rule, you can return to Balamb, play a game and repeat the entire process again to abolish another rule. By the way, DO NOT mix rules in Balamb (i.e. keep saying "No" until the person stops asking to mix rules), DO NOT get to the screen with the "Play"/"Quit" choices or something bad might happen to the rules of Balamb. After abolishing the desired rules, you can get the 1 message now for an easy game.

[fallen.adam]

Anybody got the actual percentages for all those options? Because I've been getting 1 for about three hours now, and I'd like to know just how dismayed I should be.

[Puzzlemint]

Originally posted by fallen.adam:

Anybody got the actual percentages for all those options? Because I've been getting 1 for about three hours now, and I'd like to know just how dismayed I should be.

Spreading Open is by far the most likely outcome (other than nothing happening). If you have any region with only one non-Open rule available, you should use that instead.

The way it works is, the game picks a rule randomly from the list of all rules, with Open being twice as likely to be selected (25% vs 12.5%). If the selected rule can be spread, then it spreads that rule. If the selected rule can't be spread, it repeats the check. If the second selected rule can be spread, then it spreads that rule. If not, it repeats the check a third and final time. If the third selected rule can be spread, then then it spreads that rule. If it can't be spread, but it can be abolished, then there's a 50% chance the rule will be abolished. If the third selected rule can neither be spread nor abolished, then nothing happens.

As a result of how this works, the odds are going to be different depending on how many rules are available to spread and how many rules are available to abolish, but in a case where there's only one of each:

If the rule you can spread is Open, then you have a 26.7% chance of spreading Open, a 6.1% chance of abolishing Random, and a 67.2% chance of nothing happening.

If the rule you can spread is something other than Open, then you have a 13.3% chance of spreading that rule, a 6.2% chance of abolishing Random, and an 80.5% chance of nothing happening.

[The Slender Man]

This is literally going ot cause me to stop playing the game and restart a new play... maby I'll just not play this again for another 5 years.. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why people disliked this game.. stupid ♥♥♥♥ that noone is going to figure out.. I hate Puzzles -_-

[fallen.adam]

Originally posted by The Slender Man:

This is literally going ot cause me to stop playing the game and restart a new play... maby I'll just not play this again for another 5 years.. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why people disliked this game.. stupid ♥♥♥♥ that noone is going to figure out.. I hate Puzzles -_-

It's not like you *need* the cards you get from this side quest to finish the game. I played through this about a dozen times back in 99 - 02, and never did this quest. And if you really want to have all the cards in your inventory for two minutes before you start converting them to items near the end, you can get them from CC members on board the Ragnarok on disc 4.

[sebastian_blanz]

if you dont want random-hand their is a guy in balamb-town where you start your first mission but he isnt theire all the time need exit the areal then when you play all rules are gone hope it could help

[Pure Mind Games]

Originally posted by The Slender Man:

This is literally going ot cause me to stop playing the game and restart a new play... maby I'll just not play this again for another 5 years.. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why people disliked this game.. stupid ♥♥♥♥ that noone is going to figure out.. I hate Puzzles -_-

People figured it out pretty easily, we may not have known the percentages back then, but we got the concept and the fact that Open would spread more often than not told us that if we want a certain outcome to not have Open or spread it first, since not having Open is pointless. Also it's not really a puzzle, the Deep Sea Research area is more of a puzzle than this.

[Zyenu]

The one thing keeping from replaying ff8 is precisly having to play using a guide because of the random bs card rules.

[The Slender Man]

Originally posted by Zyenu:

The one thing keeping from replaying ff8 is precisly having to play using a guide because of the random bs card rules.

^^^ And thus I literally stopped playing the game on the day i posted this thread and have not bothered playing any further since... I was 17 when this game came out and to this day I have not beaten this game because of the stupid rules in it ..

"pLaYiNg MuLtIpLe BaTtLeS wOrKs AgAiNsT yOu, aNd tHe CaRd GaMe cHaNgEs! DaaaaH, wE'Re sO cOoL"- Azzhole Dev's

[The Slender Man]

Originally posted by every1hasnames:

First, if this region doesn't have "Open", go and play a game in a region that has it... like Balamb (for default). Now, go to the region where you want to abolish the rule and save the game near a "playable" person. If you try to play with that person, he/she will ask you to mix rules, select "Yes" and, in the Triple Triad screen, select "Quit". Several things might happen (in no specific order):

1. Open rule spread
2. Random rule abolished
3. Same rule abolished
4. Plus rule abolished
5. Nothing, AND the person won't ask to mix rules again.
6. Nothing, AND the person will ask to mix rules again.

If you get 6, you can ask the person again. If you get 1 or 5, restart the game (L1 + L2 + R1 + R2 + Select + Start). If you get 2, 3 or 4; good! When you abolish a rule, you can return to Balamb, play a game and repeat the entire process again to abolish another rule. By the way, DO NOT mix rules in Balamb (i.e. keep saying "No" until the person stops asking to mix rules), DO NOT get to the screen with the "Play"/"Quit" choices or something bad might happen to the rules of Balamb. After abolishing the desired rules, you can get the 1 message now for an easy game.

lol I Literally didn't even bother to try this.. but I Will... some day... Thanks for the inisght though.. just wanted you to know its not a totally wasted moment in helping lol.. If I find interest in the game again I'll certainly reference here