Remove Denuvo already

[Hirate Yurina]

for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake, it's been long enough. anyone that wanted to pirate it has already pirated it 10 times over, it's been cracked for 2 years. just remove it.

[lucasj1210]

Originally posted by Omega:

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

denuvo is not there only to stop piracy, its there to protect the game from people like you

The game is already cracked. Denuvo is useless now.

It is 'cracked' yes...but you still can't use any of the on-line features
no card modifiers...can't co-op in Endurance, can't upload or download any player made map levels,...so playing Endurance or Cold darkness need to be played on their default settings only.
--
But yes...the main game and Baba Yaga DLC are 'cracked'.

[NeXuS23]

Originally posted by lucasj1210:

Originally posted by Omega:

The game is already cracked. Denuvo is useless now.

It is 'cracked' yes...but you still can't use any of the on-line features
no card modifiers...can't co-op in Endurance, can't upload or download any player made map levels,...so playing Endurance or Cold darkness need to be played on their default settings only.
--
But yes...the main game and Baba Yaga DLC are 'cracked'.

Irrelevant because Pirates can't use those features anyway, no matter if there is Denuvo or not, because they don't play online on steam.

Also the "newest" repack "Rise of the Tomb Raider: 20 Year Celebration" already came 1 year ago and contains all 27+ DLCs.

I really dunno why they don't remove Denuvo for the customers once it was cracked for everyone and their dog already.

It's certainly not because it still protects from pirates then, but who knows perhaps they still collect data from customers with it or they simply don't want loose control over the customers and don't want to give up the kill trigger to simply disable the games for the customers whenever they feel like.

[Cryologist]

Why is Denuvo such a big issue? Any legitimate reason?

[NeXuS23]

I just wanted to purchase the 'Eidos Anthology' Pack ... b...but...unfortunately there was too many of those red warnings, also didn't know ROTR was in that pack too along with some others that unfortunately still contains Denuvo.

It almost looks like Denuvo is their anthology, a pity, because the pack would be good without those games or also if Denuvo would have been removed from them.

Well, i will start a new search and hope i find something else worth purchasing.

[ReeNoiP]

Originally posted by Cryologist:

Why is Denuvo such a big issue? Any legitimate reason?

It's another thing beyond our control which can influence our ability to play the game and serves no purpose for the paying customer.

If Denuvo has server trouble and it thinks it's time to reauthenticate, it will lock you out of the game. It happened to a bunch of WB games a while back. It's unlikely, but possible, and can understandably be seen as on unfair risk to put on a people who bought the game legally.

Add to that the question "what happens when denuvo shuts down?". Most likely they will patch it out, but there is no guarantee they can be bothered.

Lastly, denuvo phones home at some unknown interval and neither publishers nor denuvo are willing to disclose how often and exactly what information it sends. The general secrecy and the attempts to circumvent DRM disclosure by relabelling it anti tamper technology doesn't exactly garner trust from people who care about these things either.

It is completely reasonable to be concerned about this and either voice your opinion on it or make the decision that you are not willing to accept the terms and risks and not buy the game.

[NeXuS23]

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

Originally posted by NeXuS23:

Irrelevant because Pirates can't use those features anyway, no matter if there is Denuvo or not, because they don't play online on steam.

Also the "newest" repack "Rise of the Tomb Raider: 20 Year Celebration" already came 1 year ago and contains all 27+ DLCs.

I really dunno why they don't remove Denuvo for the customers once it was cracked for everyone and their dog already.

It's certainly not because it still protects from pirates then, but who knows perhaps they still collect data from customers with it or they simply don't want loose control over the customers and don't want to give up the kill trigger to simply disable the games for the customers whenever they feel like.

when you buy a game, you dont own the game, rather you get a license to use it, that's why denuvo is needed

So customers paying money only get a license that can be revoked anytime by denuvo while the pirates get the games including all dlcs for free and own that copy without any risk that it gets revoked?

Yeah i now understand for what denuvo is for and also why they don't remove it once it has been cracked for everyone and their dogs. It's not to protect from piracy but solely to not loose control over the paying customers.

Interesting, because it looks like the paying customers are a bigger threat than pirates for them.

[Prezidentas]

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

when you buy a game, you dont own the game, rather you get a license to use it, that's why denuvo is needed

I'm sorry but this is not Yahoo answers, KenM.

Originally posted by NeXuS23:

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

when you buy a game, you dont own the game, rather you get a license to use it, that's why denuvo is needed

So customers paying money only get a license that can be revoked anytime by denuvo while the pirates get the games including all dlcs for free and own that copy without any risk that it gets revoked?

Yeah i now understand for what denuvo is for and also why they don't remove it once it has been cracked for everyone and their dogs. It's not to protect from piracy but solely to not loose control over the paying customers.

Interesting, because it looks like the paying customers are a bigger threat than pirates for them.

I'm pretty sure that they didn't remove denuvo because they don't care, not because they are some sort of evil corporation. The game works with or without denuvo so why bother?

[Hirate Yurina]

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

denuvo is not there only to stop piracy, its there to protect the game from people like you

Uh...people like me? You mean a paying customer that bought the game on release? Nice.

Originally posted by lucasj1210:

Originally posted by Omega:

The game is already cracked. Denuvo is useless now.

It is 'cracked' yes...but you still can't use any of the on-line features
no card modifiers...can't co-op in Endurance, can't upload or download any player made map levels,...so playing Endurance or Cold darkness need to be played on their default settings only.
--
But yes...the main game and Baba Yaga DLC are 'cracked'.

Yeah, I guess the REVOLT Steamworks fix totally doesn't exist... Please educate yourself before posting again.

Originally posted by Cryologist:

Why is Denuvo such a big issue? Any legitimate reason?

For me it's mostly the fact that I am being needlessly limited to a certain ammount of activation, can't play offline for a prolonged period and the risk of something going wrong (ie Denuvo servers shutting down) and rendering the game unplayable. It's not like we haven't seen this already with Safedisc and Securom.

Originally posted by Red Star Gopnik:

Originally posted by DarkKnight:

when you buy a game, you dont own the game, rather you get a license to use it, that's why denuvo is needed

I'm sorry but this is not Yahoo answers, KenM.

Originally posted by NeXuS23:

So customers paying money only get a license that can be revoked anytime by denuvo while the pirates get the games including all dlcs for free and own that copy without any risk that it gets revoked?

Yeah i now understand for what denuvo is for and also why they don't remove it once it has been cracked for everyone and their dogs. It's not to protect from piracy but solely to not loose control over the paying customers.

Interesting, because it looks like the paying customers are a bigger threat than pirates for them.

I'm pretty sure that they didn't remove denuvo because they don't care, not because they are some sort of evil corporation. The game works with or without denuvo so why bother?

Yeah, i'm sure of that too. They just can't be bothered to remove it. That's why it irks me even more. It serves no more purpose, just get rid of it. Why limit your paying customers? A bunch of game devs patched out Denuvo and the only thing that happened were increased sales.

[Prezidentas]

Originally posted by Pantsufaust:

Yeah, i'm sure of that too. They just can't be bothered to remove it. That's why it irks me even more. It serves no more purpose, just get rid of it. Why limit your paying customers? A bunch of game devs patched out Denuvo and the only thing that happened were increased sales.

I guess they were too busy with dlc and cards when the crack came out. Seeing how the new tomb raider has 3 different editions for money milking this doesn't surprise me one bit.

[NGCHunter2]

Originally posted by Pantsufaust:

[...] or possibly improve performance. There is no point in keeping it.

Originally posted by Pantsufaust:

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Denuvo has no observable impact to performance.

Thanks for your input, I never mentioned performance anywhere.

??

Also, why are all kind of persons complaining about Denuvo? It doesn't do any damage to you actually if you're not trying to install it too often (which you won't do normally).

[Prezidentas]

Originally posted by NGCHunter2:

Originally posted by Pantsufaust:

[...] or possibly improve performance. There is no point in keeping it.

Originally posted by Pantsufaust:

Thanks for your input, I never mentioned performance anywhere.

??

Also, why are all kind of persons complaining about Denuvo? It doesn't do any damage to you actually if you're not trying to install it too often (which you won't do normally).

Denuvo is a DRM that requires online authentication, so when denuvo will go out of business and servers will shut down, you won't be able to play games that you have bought.
This video sums it up pretty well - https://youtu.be/MLwsKtZDwFs

A big complaint is that DRM hurts only the paying consumer, because when scene groups crack a game, pirates no longer have to deal with DRM, and paying customers do (for example a pirated copy of ROTB doesn't require internet access to activate denuvo, which means that pirates have a better experience than people who actually paid money). This makes people who pay for their games angry.

Another complaint is that DRM doesn't work - the games get cracked, and DRM becomes useless. ROTB was cracked quite a while ago.

About the damage - some versions of denuvo had a bug where it would write a lot of data to people's drives and if they had an SSD it would shorten its lifetime. So denuvo actually does damage, just (I really hope) not this version of it.

[Michal]

RIP, game development ended like year and half ago and you want Denuvo to removed, TOP KEK ROFL

[Hirate Yurina]

Originally posted by Myscho:

RIP, game development ended like year and half ago and you want Denuvo to removed, TOP KEK ROFL

Games regularly have Denuvo removed with patches well after release. It has nothing to do with the development cycle.

[LagunaFAN]

After numerous patches, the game works great. All the same to Denuvo.

[Hirate Yurina]

Originally posted by LagunaFANDegradSquad:

After numerous patches, the game works great. All the same to Denuvo.

Until one day it doesn't and paying customers get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ while pirates laugh.