The Price of Greed

[Castor Pendragon]

Smite 2, the skin update for Smite 1 that requires you to spend your money yet again despite having already purchased all the same Gods - has wound up shooting itself in the foot, offering little more to the table than the skin update and minor tweaks that are barely noticeable to the original which would leave most wondering "Why?"

Not only did this divert people to two separate games of the exact same type, you've essentially alienated folks who purchased every God in the original. We're not buying into it just because the service-support swapped over. We should not tolerate corporate greed, we have enough UC Health types.

[紫月]

agree with

[Thombussy]

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

[ЭЭПЫУМИ]

no joker steam award for you my friend

[<3 farmers cuz füd]

Originally posted by Thombussy:

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

1. Alpha/beta games used to have a simple feature in them called "Provide feedback". If you require your customer base to go to a different platform to communicate with them (be it Reddit, Discord, or whatever), you're failing on basic communication. In the past decade games have regressed in a ridiculous number of ways, and when it comes to alpha's/beta's this is one of them.

2. Likewise Hi-Rez isn't owed anything, hence it is quite useful for companies to listen to customer feedback. People telling businesses their prices are too high is valuable when those businesses see their customerbase decreasing after having increased pricing.
People, like you, who defend companies ignoring their customers is why Smite 2's playerbase sits at around 12% of what it was at launch. Likewise, Smite itself went from a peak this year of 24K players to around 5.5K
Keep telling people to "Shut up and consume product, then get excited for next product" and watch the game you probably enjoy (why else defend it?) go the way of the dodo.

[Thombussy]

Originally posted by <3 farmers cuz füd:

Originally posted by Thombussy:

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

1. Alpha/beta games used to have a simple feature in them called "Provide feedback". If you require your customer base to go to a different platform to communicate with them (be it Reddit, Discord, or whatever), you're failing on basic communication. In the past decade games have regressed in a ridiculous number of ways, and when it comes to alpha's/beta's this is one of them.

2. Likewise Hi-Rez isn't owed anything, hence it is quite useful for companies to listen to customer feedback. People telling businesses their prices are too high is valuable when those businesses see their customerbase decreasing after having increased pricing.
People, like you, who defend companies ignoring their customers is why Smite 2's playerbase sits at around 12% of what it was at launch. Likewise, Smite itself went from a peak this year of 24K players to around 5.5K
Keep telling people to "Shut up and consume product, then get excited for next product" and watch the game you probably enjoy (why else defend it?) go the way of the dodo.

1) You can e-mail Hi-Rez support with information as well. You thinking that Reddit is the only place is ignorant. I used it as an example, not as the ONLY way to contact them. If you're going to respond with snide, at least use 10% of your brain power to think first.
2) Where did I defend the pricing of things? I said that they don't owe people every little thing they bought in an old game. You thinking that people are somehow owed things they weren't forced to buy is idiotic and naive. YOU chose to buy it. No where did it state that if they made Smite 2 they would spend several million dollars worth of time to give everyone ♥♥♥♥ back for free. You people not understanding how long it takes to port this ♥♥♥♥ over into a new engine is wild, although you whiners genuinely don't have any concept of game creation so I'm not surprised all of you dorks don't understand how much time and money it takes to port even one skin over and make it work on a new engine. It isn't a copy paste, but I guess if you all cry hard enough you will somehow magically change how coding works. No one is defending a company being greedy, we are defending you entitled dorks crying about things that don't matter.

[MajorJace]

Originally posted by MadHamster:

Originally posted by Big McLargeHuge:

Bought the god pack 9 to 10 years ago, maybe $25, and I haven't spend a penny on it since. Over 2500 hrs later, Smite doesn't owe me ♥♥♥♥. Grow up entitled brat.

BASED Same

Since 2014 off and on, only paid $1.50 recently for the 95% off Sale on the God Pack. Only time I've given them money.

[Random™?]

Originally posted by Thombussy:

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

ya know what, i'll take the bait

1. its still in alpha and is showing very little promise, and the main reason behind that is that Hi-rez is KNOWN for fumbling their games. its not a knee-jerk reaction for no reason.

2. do they owe you anything for buying skins. yes, the skin.. and i'll gladly give up getting gems for logging in, for better playerplay and balance. youre quick to devalue someones point, without even understanding it

and it turns out, if people spend money on something. and you turn around and ask them to spend money on what is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING.. people are going to be upset and have complaints. that has nothing to do with the game. thats common sense

[Grilled Salmon]

Originally posted by Thombussy:

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

The one problem I have with the 'it's in alpha' argument, isn't that it should be farther along or any better; the place in alpha is fine. It's the fact that if the game dies in alpha and is forced to shut down, then it'll all be for naught, and the alpha wouldn't have mattered.

Let me say that I want Smite 2 to work out. But the game is so anti-consumer via the pricing, what you have to pay for, and the fact that the alpha is paid. Yes, there are many ways to get into the alpha without paying, but the majority of players aren't going to go out of their way to get keys via the options they have, when simply clicking a button to download games would be so much easier.

The division between the two games, the one readily available to everyone, and the second, to which it's only available through some (minor) hoops or cracking open your wallet, is going to create a disparity that will be hard to come back from. The truth is, most gamers are incredibly lazy when it comes to putting in work, and Smite's players are no different; mix that with losing the items they thought they owned, and it'll lead to disaster.

Further more, the free crystals are almost worthless. You get 100 crystals for your whole week of signing in. With legacy gems, Anubis' Blight Hound skin is 1,600 crystals off sale. 3,200 without legacy gems. If you do some really easy math, you'd have to wait an entire 16 weeks for full price with the whole legacy gem bonus, and 32 weeks without any legacy gems to obtain the skin from the daily rewards.

With 4 weeks to a month, with legacy gems that's 4 months for 1 skin. Without, it's 8 months for 1 skin. While yes, you could do it, it's one hell of a wait, literally over half the year without enough legacy gems to cover it. That's incredibly sad, and with the amount everything costs, the value of daily reward diminishes heavily.

I understand that money needs to be made to keep the game afloat, but they could care to part with more or sell items for cheaper for sure. And yes, sales happen like right now, but there's going to be way less purchases in the long run if they continue to charge 15 USD (the 10 pack plus a 5 pack) for a skin in a game where there will be over a hundred characters' skins and ascension passes to collect from. People would rather walk out with 6 or 7 five dollar items in a store, than 1 thirty or thirty-five dollar item. It's quantity over quality for those that are frugal.

If they were to implement a cheaper chest system like the first game at full launch, it would do wonders for them. But from what it looks like, even chests are going to cost a fortune.

I truly pray and hope going F2P will give the game new life. I've invested too much in all honesty and it's a sunken cost phallacy. But I just don't know if they can get back on their feet after everything they're going through.

Edit: It censored part of my message randomly, so hopefully it doesn't now.

[ᴆᴀʀɢᴀṣ]

"the skin update for Smite 1 that requires you to spend your money"
It doesn't require you to spend money and it's not a skin update.
Not gonna bother reading the rest if it starts like this.

[ᴆᴀʀɢᴀṣ]

Originally posted by iategodzilla:

Originally posted by ᴆᴀʀɢᴀṣ:

"the skin update for Smite 1 that requires you to spend your money"
It doesn't require you to spend money and it's not a skin update.
Not gonna bother reading the rest if it starts like this.

Lol smite 2 discussions are dead now so you came back here to fight negative comments lmao

I don't fight negative comments. I reply to threads that spread misinformations or are ignorant about the subject... Both because I want to give informations and also because this is annoying to read these kind of complaints while there are plenty of pretty good negative complaints or opinions to give about the game

[mynameisBlade]

Yup. I won't be buying it. SMITE 2 shouldn't exist. This could've been a free visual update for the fans of SMITE 1 and to bring people back, but nope... Greedy greedy..

[ᴆᴀʀɢᴀṣ]

I really wonder, what make you think it could have been a free visual update ? Also, what make you think Smite 2 won't be free to play ?

[ᴆᴀʀɢᴀṣ]

Still believe I am paid by someone huh ? I am very critical about the game as well but you complain about such non sense and spread misinformation all the time that I rarely have to be negative as well for better reasons toward the game

[Awesomeguy9510]

Originally posted by Random™?:

Originally posted by Thombussy:

Bro, this type of whining is getting so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ old.
1) Smite 2 is STILL IN ALPHA. Meaning if you actually have valid feedback, give it to the devs. There is a whole reddit thread of people offering feedback and getting responses that go live in the game. If you don't feel like being constructive, you can kindly take the exit door and ♥♥♥♥ off.
2) Hi-Rez doesn't owe anyone anything for buying skins. Just logging into the game gets you gems that you have used to buy skins throughout the years. Do you owe Hi-Rez the money from the gems you got for free? Because that's the end basis of this ♥♥♥♥ take of an argument. If YOU decided that YOU wanted to spend YOUR money on buying things, that is on YOU. If you don't like the fact that they already have a pretty solid system in place to make up for this, that is also on you.

ya know what, i'll take the bait

1. its still in alpha and is showing very little promise, and the main reason behind that is that Hi-rez is KNOWN for fumbling their games. its not a knee-jerk reaction for no reason.

2. do they owe you anything for buying skins. yes, the skin.. and i'll gladly give up getting gems for logging in, for better playerplay and balance. youre quick to devalue someones point, without even understanding it

and it turns out, if people spend money on something. and you turn around and ask them to spend money on what is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING.. people are going to be upset and have complaints. that has nothing to do with the game. thats common sense

The guy dosent understand much from reading his reply's like an alpha is the important feedback phase people suggesting god tweaks, map layouts, texture errors, or other odd bugs is very handy for devs yet they show little fruit to the labor which if Thom actually looked into hi rez you can see the issue clear as day
then he must be a suck up for game companies or have no concept of money cause if you buy something and its now yours then the company takes it away and demands a charge for it back people will be ticked off, no one wants to rebuy stuff they bought or some cases earned via playing
like you said its common sense but these days it seems to be exotic sense