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Wanting players to learn to play better is not demonstrative of an over-inflated ego, it's demonstrative of a willingness to play a competitive, team-based game as a team player. Your response just dismisses the frustration any number of players have with those who play this game without trying, without acting like the time of other people matters, and it truly is part of the problem. This attitude causes as much toxicity as your purported elitism, however at least those purported elitists care enough to learn to play better.
We can all play better, every one of us, and when we just dismiss stuff like this it shows we don't really care enough to do that. It shows a serious lack of sportsmanship: it shows that neither the game nor the players mean anything.
I would rather have the noobs, because noobs are just people who need to learn. I would rather have a feeder, because at least the game will end quicker with his help. I'd rather have a leaver, because he cant do any harm to me once hes gone.
a toxic player? They aren't capable of teamworking, they're abusive, will frequently be a feeder, and may cause a hugely extended match. I'd rather deal with the other 3 because at least the games are shorter with them.
I'm a good player and I prefer noobs to toxic people. At least they don't want to ruin everyones fun. And a lot of them actuall try to play as a team.
The attitude that you're confronting this problem with leaves one thing crystal clear. Would you like to know what that is? It's the fact that you're more into the game for competition than fun. My advice to you and any others in the same mind set is this: Play League, avoid Casual.
Yes, "toxic" should not mean people who try to tell people that they need to do something better or make suggestions about what they should do instead. "Toxic" should mean people who only hurl insults and abuse and behave just as badly from a game performance perspective as the "noobs". Doing stuff like "AFK because you guys are noobs" or telling people to "delete the game" or "kill themselves" IS toxic. Saying stuff like "ffs, stop split pushing and overextending" or "wtf, why did you engage and then run away and leave me to die?", while they technically could be perceived as rude, are not toxic and are just slightly edgier due to frustration.
If this was just a discussion of how some people define "toxic behavior", that's one thing; I even fully support Goblin's suggestion that you should do some research and learn to play the game, even if it's just watching YouTube videos or Twitch streams. However, trying to straight up defend toxic behavior as better is missing the point.
Having a preference is not being toxic. Making rude comments is, however. Oh the irony.
But like i said, that doesnt bother me. Just make sure you know what mid harpies are.
So yes there are ofcourse rounds you can not win. But the moment you start flaming, you decrease the win chance of your team by probally an other 20%
Agreed. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of toxic players are actually the ones carrying their team, and are simply shocked that three or four of their teammates are complete morons. I can mute a good player who is toxic, I can't stop a bad player from being awful.
As a player who has slipped into toxic behavior at times, I full heartedly agree with this statement. I never initiate BMing players who I can tell are new or comparatively inexperienced. I often make build suggestions as I love theorycrafting. Most times you get back statements like "I don't f***ing care. F*** you. All you have is Smite, virgin. I don't even play Conquest. Muted." These players not only suck, but show no interest in getting better. At this point, all bets are off.
We have this ridiculous tendency to think that because someone is new or not that good at the game that they are a "nice person." Ha. Usually they are the twelve year old f***ing your mom on XBox Live. Don't feel bad for scrubs.
Lies. All of it. It is the fault of matchmaking, but new players can (and do) ruin the experience of experienced players. To say they "actually try to play as a team" is the funniest statement ever. When was the last time you played with a group of low level players?
Winning is fun. Losing is not.
Strive to be better and I'll never have a problem with you.
If a player is doing poorly, explain their mistakes. If they keep repeating the mistakes, mute them if they're bming in the chat, and block them so you don't have to deal with them again.
Bad players can ruin a match. Toxic players WILL ruin the game and its community.
Only by playing will you be able to improve yourself and gain experience and learn new tactics. Watching Pro players play or search builds is like 20% of the job. The other 80% is by playing and playing.
First of all, do you know me well enough to know if I am lying? No, you don't. I have played with lower level players in the last few weeks. The people in my clan are lower level than me, or only recently hit level 30. I don't always play with them, but then there are the parties of people in my games who have a lower level player. I would also count the people who don't play a certain mode (lets say Conquest, since they normally play Arena) as new because they don't understand that mode. Even some of them are willing to learn. But a lot of them don't because they "know how to play the game". Then as ADC they take the damage buff and go to the solo lane. Those people are toxic in that they refuse to play the game right - which means playing as a team.
In what way is it the fault of matchmaking? Toxic players ruinj all of the games I encounter them in. They argue with people over nothing, they don't give good critisism (as in advice) they just tell people to stop playing and uninstall etc. That isn't fun for me or the rest of the team. And we now have to deal with this person for up to an hour some games. I really would rather have someone who is new to the game (in my experience they also play as a team, maybe you are just unlucky with this), even though they are bad. At least they can learn, get better and hopefully have some fun while we're at it.
I have had very fun games where my team has lost, because games can be good even if you don't win. Clearly you need to grow up, since again, this is a sign of most toxic players I have encountered.
"Slipped into toxic behaviour", yeah right, you seem like the ones who start arguments over nothing, and refuse to use logic, or any reasonable sense to make your points.
Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a liar. If anything you are coming across as one of these toxic players because you won't listen to an opinion that isn't yours.
And this is the problem with MOBA communities, let people play what they want, there is no reason to scare them off with threats and abuse. Games are about - wait for it - having fun (*gasp*). Shocking I know, but, there it is. If you want to play against people your own skill, join ranked, and don't leave it.
Well said. Though blocking doesn't actually work like that unfortunately.
Bad players can ruin a match, if they don't accept advice. If they keep running forward getting themselves killed despite you saying time and again that they need to hold back, stop diving tower, or wait for backup before engagin a full team, then that can ruin it. If they accept the advice, then they will learn, and the match can still be enjoyable, rather than ruined.