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Serqet so weak?
So I have tried different builds with her. Life steal types, Crit ones, pen ones. But she just feels so freaking weak in her current state? Am I just not building right or is she underpowered as hell???
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EmethSAS Mar 27, 2016 @ 6:37pm 
HiRez thinks she is. She's getting buffed on Tuesday in the new update. It took me a while to get used to her though as she is a very squishy Assassin and relies a lot on her mobility to make plays.
MrDark086 Mar 27, 2016 @ 10:08pm 
Shes not neccessarily weak but she is by no means a beginners god or one you can just pick up and do well with. Her kit is really strong in 1v1 situations but you have to know what your capable of and what your opponent is too. From there its just stacking as many poisons on them as you can with your ult, 1 and 2 and then smacking them with an auto attack to burst all the posions for a nice burst and then getting outta there before help shows up. Shes good but she isnt a very accessible god
Flyingbox Mar 27, 2016 @ 10:27pm 
She is heavily kit reliant. You need to detonate those poisons to do work. I've seen some make takes explode because of just that.
That's about it. You can't stand alone without the poisons.
Last edited by Flyingbox; Mar 27, 2016 @ 10:28pm
Pegasus Mar 27, 2016 @ 10:28pm 
before nerfed Secq was top 4 pick in pro scene. now hi-rez reverse the nerf. she should be good again
RecalledDread Mar 28, 2016 @ 2:48am 
Originally posted by Seasoned Wanderer:
So I have tried different builds with her. Life steal types, Crit ones, pen ones. But she just feels so freaking weak in her current state? Am I just not building right or is she underpowered as hell???

Don't need lifesteal - won't be that good. Some crit in form of Deathbringer and Malice is good, get some pen too. That is what I normally do, and tend to do fairly well with her (at least I used to when I played her more often, haven't been able to lately).

Basically what MrDark said, but don't focus on getting ALL the poisons on them, just your 2 then 1 is enough usually before basic attacking them. Won't always kill, but will do a lot of damage if done correctly.
MisterMeowMan Mar 28, 2016 @ 5:23am 
How to serqet:
Use abilities only when needed, crit pen build.
Aa cancelling/putting aa between abilities.
Profit.
She is extremely strong even before this unnecessary buff. She just has high skill scaling like rat, ullr, etc
Vinco Mar 28, 2016 @ 6:56am 
early or late, her damage cant possibly be weak.
for assassins, its just a matter of knowing when you can initiate and when to just steer clear.
Rexar Mar 28, 2016 @ 9:48am 
The problem with serqet in season 2 was that she was OP in right hands but real bad if you cant position well. So for competetive play they nerfed serqet but this resulted in her being bad in all levels of play. Now they are buffing her so that she is good in Ranked and viable in SPL again. Its a pretty big buff :)
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RecalledDread Mar 28, 2016 @ 10:04am 
Originally posted by Occulus:
The problem with serqet in season 2 was that she was OP in right hands but real bad if you cant position well. So for competetive play they nerfed serqet but this resulted in her being bad in all levels of play. Now they are buffing her so that she is good in Ranked and viable in SPL again. Its a pretty big buff :)

From the few times I have used her (so maybe not enough to notice), she still seems prety good this season despite whatver the nerf was.
EmethSAS Mar 28, 2016 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by RecalledDread:
Originally posted by Occulus:
The problem with serqet in season 2 was that she was OP in right hands but real bad if you cant position well. So for competetive play they nerfed serqet but this resulted in her being bad in all levels of play. Now they are buffing her so that she is good in Ranked and viable in SPL again. Its a pretty big buff :)

From the few times I have used her (so maybe not enough to notice), she still seems prety good this season despite whatver the nerf was.
Agreed, but I think Occulus is right though about her skill baseline being a bit too high for anyone but more experienced players to feel she was accessible or any good. I didn't really think she needed a buff either, but she was no longer top-tier in SPL either so if it keeps her from getting super unpopular then I guess we'll see how it goes...
RecalledDread Mar 28, 2016 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by EmethSAS:
Originally posted by RecalledDread:

From the few times I have used her (so maybe not enough to notice), she still seems prety good this season despite whatver the nerf was.
Agreed, but I think Occulus is right though about her skill baseline being a bit too high for anyone but more experienced players to feel she was accessible or any good. I didn't really think she needed a buff either, but she was no longer top-tier in SPL either so if it keeps her from getting super unpopular then I guess we'll see how it goes...

Yeah I agree with that point. I just don't really see any difference in her effectiveness, so either the nerf didn't do much, or I am not skilled enough in the game to notice it (which is probably it if she is no longer the same tier she used to be).
EmethSAS Mar 28, 2016 @ 11:40am 
Originally posted by RecalledDread:
Originally posted by EmethSAS:
Agreed, but I think Occulus is right though about her skill baseline being a bit too high for anyone but more experienced players to feel she was accessible or any good. I didn't really think she needed a buff either, but she was no longer top-tier in SPL either so if it keeps her from getting super unpopular then I guess we'll see how it goes...

Yeah I agree with that point. I just don't really see any difference in her effectiveness, so either the nerf didn't do much, or I am not skilled enough in the game to notice it (which is probably it if she is no longer the same tier she used to be).
She's really only dropped a little in the tiers from what I had seen... Incon moved her to A, Weak3n moved her to A+, whereas she had been in S towards the end of Season 2. Meanwhile Weak3n had moved Mercury to A, which for Weak3n meant bottom 5 Junglers, despite Mercury being his favorite at the end of Season 2 (Envy's newest team skin is Mercury, just for example :steamhappy:), so I figured if he had kept Serqet in A+ she was still ok. You know... Not Ao Kuang, Thor, or Fenrir levels of OP Jungler material, but not bad... Of course, no one has bothered doing a tier list for Season 3 pre-season, so that's all a month old... :steammocking:

Which is why I say I think it's the skill baseline that is the problem... When you look at it from a comparative standpoint: Bakasura they just buffed for Season 3 and he is killer in Joust even if he sucks in Conquest, Loki is EZ-2-play king and terror of newbs, and Thanatos is another newbie-darling for his early game crush potential; meanwhile Ao Kuang, Thor, and Fenrir are relatively easy (yet still versatile), ability-based Assassins on the top end... Serqet has the weird, combo/hybrid kit that relies on mixing her abilities with her basics (and it isn't spelled out for you in the tooltips like Arachne) in order to play her to her best, so she isn't a clear-cut ability-based Assassin like Thor or a straightforward basic-attack-based Assassin like Kali. She's a bit more mechanics-heavy.

So I think she's gotten left in the strange no-man's-land at the intersection of "not great in Arena or Joust" (e.g. newbies aren't going to be playing or seeing a lot of her in the most popular game modes), "not optimal enough for SPL Conquest" (e.g. no Pro boost to get people to play her even with a high-skill-floor for bragging rights, which seemed to be the case in Season 2), and "no niche for being a flavor pick" (e.g. no major gimmick to her gameplay that other Assassins don't have, like Awilix with the right team comp on each side).

If that's the case, then I guess I see why Hi-Rez wanted to give her a buff even if she wasn't actually "bad", since while they do only balance around Conquest (SPL specifically), they do seem to like to have the "trash-tier" Conquest gods either be really low-skill-floor for newbs to play or have some sort of niche role they can fill so they keep a solid core of fans who like that playstyle. This seems to keep any 1 god from completely falling off the game's radar to where they just seem forgotten by players and devs alike (*cough* Gallio in LoL *cough*); I mean, even Ratatoskr has the cute factor at least keeping his fan base alive to keep everyone from totally rejecting him.

Now I'll have to go check popularity charts for Serqet and see if this theory holds water, or if some HiRez dev really just has a crush on Serqet to decide on a big buff out of mediocrity... :steammocking: Since they usually only buff gods that are doing REALLY badly or nerf gods that are doing REALLY well, with the occasional random buff to a mid-level god that is usually pretty lackluster, while this buff was pretty big for Serqet...
Last edited by EmethSAS; Mar 28, 2016 @ 11:48am
Hydrataur Mar 29, 2016 @ 3:51am 
Back in season 2 I played a 1v1 against a friend. We both statred level 20 with 100000 gold. I was Serqet and he was Artemis. No build I used worked, he was constantly demolishing me until I built her tanky. I destroyed him. I'm not saying it's necessarily good, but it worked for me that one time.
BTW, I find that the best way to use her ult in teamfights is use it on a minion then make sure the minion dies while surrounded by the enemy gods and then they all get poisoned.
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