Pls hi rez remove that joke god " VAMANA "

[TheSorrow55]

everytime those trolls play with him they cant do ♥♥♥♥ just running with that umbrella

when someone pick vamana im already rage quit "gods menu select" i dont even speak to anyone !!

i dont have any problem with waiting 30 minutes

last game someone pick vamana and what first game for me this day i said maybe that is good

vamana he was without skin that was good signal he not playing for skin ! "skin players" they

dont care about the god they are just plying for skin !! back to our vamana

0 rank vamana seems he first game and he said that to me in the game "first time vamana " i

know it we are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up when he dies i use my fav words in game " u rock " "voice pack" he was

mad like everyone in smite !

all vamana players are same whatever he play with skin or not !

they are just running with umbrella + turn to titan = dead

and funny thing he call me a noob "im top damage + top kills " !! whatever

guys if someone play with vamana he already troll u can smell BS is coming


pls hi rez remove hi rez or change all stupids abilities with something useful

[RecalledDread]

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with it. I even explained WHY I disagree. You are essentially saying "This is what I think, I am right, I don't care what you've just said". Which is a poor "argument" for him being bad. WHY are the skills not useful? HOW is he bad in defence/offense? I'll take your view more seriously if you actually explain it better.

In my experience;
Vamana can deal a lot of damage in a game, it's just not burst damage.
He can also tank very well as long as you aren't being stupid about how you are playing him.
He has a knockup and slow which can help you team deal more of their damage for longer.

Using his dash agressively has the same pros and cons of other gods dashes - like Bellona and Guan as you mentioned before. It can put you in danger, but if you are doing that recklessly (in other words, if you have no map awareness or common sense) it will get you killed because you are out of position. If you use it smartly, you can get away with using it agressively. And his ult can be used to get out pretty easily as well (actually easier in some matchups and situations).

I've seen more than a few games and videos where someone has used Vamana effectively. I'm not arguing that he is better than all other characters or anything, just that he isn't as bad as you and OP are making him out to be.

[Perfectly Valid School of Magic]

Disagreeing is not us saying "i love smite, dont hurt hi-rez". It's us looking at statistics and personal experience and using that to analyze your claims, which conflict with the stats. Numbers don't lie.

[SD97]

Publicado originalmente por RecalledDread:

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with it. I even explained WHY I disagree. You are essentially saying "This is what I think, I am right, I don't care what you've just said". Which is a poor "argument" for him being bad. WHY are the skills not useful? HOW is he bad in defence/offense? I'll take your view more seriously if you actually explain it better.

In my experience;
Vamana can deal a lot of damage in a game, it's just not burst damage.
He can also tank very well as long as you aren't being stupid about how you are playing him.
He has a knockup and slow which can help you team deal more of their damage for longer.

Using his dash agressively has the same pros and cons of other gods dashes - like Bellona and Guan as you mentioned before. It can put you in danger, but if you are doing that recklessly (in other words, if you have no map awareness or common sense) it will get you killed because you are out of position. If you use it smartly, you can get away with using it agressively. And his ult can be used to get out pretty easily as well (actually easier in some matchups and situations).

I've seen more than a few games and videos where someone has used Vamana effectively. I'm not arguing that he is better than all other characters or anything, just that he isn't as bad as you and OP are making him out to be.

Disagreeing slightly with you RecalledDread and I may be wrong but Vamana's burst with his 2-AA cancel or 1-2 combo is pretty good early to mid game. Actually I also had a lot of trouble performing decently with Vamana when I started playing him and EmethSAS had tried to help me out by suggesting frostbound, hastened, horrific, etc. but I think his design innately has a little bit of inconsistency. He is ability based(bursty) and fast in his dwarf form and AA based and slow in his ult. I mean it just doesnt feel logical. His AAs hit decently but will be meh compared to Bell,Rav and Osiris who has some CC built into their kit and are completely AA based unlike Vamana who has to build aforementioned items. And building frostbound on warriors, I dont know I will rather build Gaia for hp on warriors. IMO his ult is best used as a spacing tool to avoid getting smacked by a giant or facetanking 1 or 2 ults( Not sure what the person meant but he is super tanky in his ult) to turn the tides in your team's favour. I still think he is a solid warrior and a fun character to play though.

[RecalledDread]

Publicado originalmente por ObsidianKnight666:

Disagreeing slightly with you RecalledDread and I may be wrong but Vamana's burst with his 2-AA cancel or 1-2 combo is pretty good early to mid game. Actually I also had a lot of trouble performing decently with Vamana when I started playing him and EmethSAS had tried to help me out by suggesting frostbound, hastened, horrific, etc. but I think his design innately has a little bit of inconsistency. He is ability based(bursty) and fast in his dwarf form and AA based and slow in his ult. I mean it just doesnt feel logical. His AAs hit decently but will be meh compared to Bell,Rav and Osiris who has some CC built into their kit and are completely AA based unlike Vamana who has to build aforementioned items. And building frostbound on warriors, I dont know I will rather build Gaia for hp on warriors. IMO his ult is best used as a spacing tool to avoid getting smacked by a giant or facetanking 1 or 2 ults( Not sure what the person meant but he is super tanky in his ult) to turn the tides in your team's favour. I still think he is a solid warrior and a fun character to play though.

I actually agree with you on Frostbound and Katana not feeling right. I don't use his ultimate that way either, mostly as a way to escape/heal up/bodyblock. The frostbound/Katana is more for people who like to use it for chasing. Most people who complain about his ult usually want to chase people with it, so it's what I end up suggesting for it.

[Hydrataur]

Publicado originalmente por RecalledDread:

Publicado originalmente por ObsidianKnight666:

Disagreeing slightly with you RecalledDread and I may be wrong but Vamana's burst with his 2-AA cancel or 1-2 combo is pretty good early to mid game. Actually I also had a lot of trouble performing decently with Vamana when I started playing him and EmethSAS had tried to help me out by suggesting frostbound, hastened, horrific, etc. but I think his design innately has a little bit of inconsistency. He is ability based(bursty) and fast in his dwarf form and AA based and slow in his ult. I mean it just doesnt feel logical. His AAs hit decently but will be meh compared to Bell,Rav and Osiris who has some CC built into their kit and are completely AA based unlike Vamana who has to build aforementioned items. And building frostbound on warriors, I dont know I will rather build Gaia for hp on warriors. IMO his ult is best used as a spacing tool to avoid getting smacked by a giant or facetanking 1 or 2 ults( Not sure what the person meant but he is super tanky in his ult) to turn the tides in your team's favour. I still think he is a solid warrior and a fun character to play though.

I actually agree with you on Frostbound and Katana not feeling right. I don't use his ultimate that way either, mostly as a way to escape/heal up/bodyblock. The frostbound/Katana is more for people who like to use it for chasing. Most people who complain about his ult usually want to chase people with it, so it's what I end up suggesting for it.

I think maybe adding either Haste or a slow by default would be just the buff Vamana needs to become more relevant.

[RecalledDread]

I dont' think they want to add haste to abilities. They took a bunch of haste effects off of other gods (though I think they were all ranged anyway, so who knows).

[Hydrataur]

Publicado originalmente por RecalledDread:

I dont' think they want to add haste to abilities. They took a bunch of haste effects off of other gods (though I think they were all ranged anyway, so who knows).

From what I remember that was just Sol, Chronos and Jing Wei (might be more), all ranged characters often played as ADCs. Vamana is neither of those.

[SD97]

The warrior role is still not clear to me. Need to cc the backline? Why not pick another guardian? Guardians are definitely tankier and have more CC. Need to kill the backline, why not pick a dps guy? I mean in late game team fights warriors will not be able to get a kill on the adc/mage/assassin anyway ,early game though it's very possible. It just feel like some tanky guy wailing on someone with no end in sight, no CC, nothing to offer to the team. That might just be the problem beginners face with vamana he seems to epitomize these problems

[RecalledDread]

Publicado originalmente por ObsidianKnight666:

The warrior role is still not clear to me. Need to cc the backline? Why not pick another guardian? Guardians are definitely tankier and have more CC. Need to kill the backline, why not pick a dps guy? I mean in late game team fights warriors will not be able to get a kill on the adc/mage/assassin anyway ,early game though it's very possible. It just feel like some tanky guy wailing on someone with no end in sight, no CC, nothing to offer to the team. That might just be the problem beginners face with vamana he seems to epitomize these problems

Warriors also deal damage, and some have decent CC. Guardian could be protecting your backline, whilst the Warrior deals with theirs (or the other way around). It depends a little more on team compositions then (on both sides).

The problem with picking a DPS guy to take caure of the backline, is they are in the backline. Unless you take an assassin, they aren't likely to get close enough safely. And you don't usually want double assassins (though it can work, just not always a good idea).

They might not be able to kill them, but they can take some of the damage, and deal a fair amount in return (they will likely have Thorns).

The other more obvious reason, variety/diversity in damage. If you have 2 Guardians that constantly do this, they (enemy team in general) can just buy a little more magical protection. If you have a Warrior and a Guardian, they can't really do that as easily. This is where team composition comes in again.