Goodbye SMITE!

[PhantomFUZZ]

Is Hi-rez ever going to implement a working matchmaking system? It feels worse this season than it was last season. I would have days were I lost but it was legitimate losses. I could see my mistakes and errors. Now its every game. LOSS LOSS LOSS. I'm starting to call the game Defeat because thats what I see after every match. I maybe get one match where I steam roll (which isn't fun either) then the rest are nothing but losses. I haven't had a good match with balanced teams this whole season. Feels like they have just given up or don't care on how matchmaking works. I tried getting a few friends to play. We got through 3 matches all losses and brutal ones, our team didn't get one kill. These were brand new players never played and still getting matched up with people over a 100. This is ridiculous. No wonder the player base isn't growing people get discouraged walking into a slaughter their first match. How is that conducive to a growing player base, it isn't. Should we just boycott the game? I doubt Hi-rez would even notice as there is barely ever more than 5k playing. Atleast on steam. I think if this game isn't dead its on its way to death. They focus more on skins and emotes than they do balancing the matchmaking system. So sad.

EDIT-

I forgot the other thing that is terrible about this game, The Community. I remember when I first started playing this how toxic everyone I encountered were. I eventually learned to tune them out and just learn the game on my own. I know that not every smite player is toxic I have friends in my clan and smite friends list that have become great people to spend some time with so don't think I mean every person playing smite. Then I started posting in the forum and wow what a toxic community. Anyone who questions anything about the game is constantly met with, "get better" or "stop playing then" sprinkled with the 3 or 4 people in the forums that are actually happy to help and have a constructive discussion. I feel like deleting my post would be a ♥♥♥♥♥ move so I'll just edit it with my decision to officially uninstall. Bye Smite 3000 hrs led me here. It was mostly a fun journey but the end is neither bitter nor sweet just mmehhh....later.

[Hydrataur]

Originally posted by AceKitty:

I agree wit the OP I remember back in the old days, it was way more fun Hell I dont care about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ free gems I don't even get em most of the times, because i dont want to even bother myself to log daily just to get a stupid login reward that is as useless as the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ events, Back then events used to be fun to the point people would log in, and crash the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game because so many people wanted to play the events. that alone proves the point of the main OP the game has a good event right now, the arena one, I see nobody crashing the game because So many users are loggin in to play the event the game itself is becoming deserted. Back than events used to be about fun and rewarding, nowdays its about Money! Events are only released for walletwarriors, Oh look a event, Meh nvm I dont care to log on smite, Because I know this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ event is only for people with a big wallet, I know that this stupid event will force me to get my wallet if i wana take part in it, AND YES This is true, stop defending hirez. Sure they let you be part of the event by doing some little quests BUT YOU NEVER truely take part in the event, Because the main thing is locked behind a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ paywall. You'll never get the chance at it. this lead to more Exclusive skins and limited. Instead focusing on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game they're just focusing on stupid events to net more money, and each event is geting worse. Soon its not called Events they should call it Gimme your money! I see no point in staying on smite for more than just one match or two, after that, Its just meh there is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TO NO REASON To play this game more than 2 matchs. The end.

The way events have been implemented has only changed for the better. It used to be that free players, or those who didn't spend gems on the event got nothing. Now they get a few small rewards. Just look at the Odyssey or the Season Ticket which both get you things just for playing without spending money at all. Sure you don't have the top tier item, but they need to make money somehow and if they gave the entire event for free they'd get nothing. And the way events played out is also identical, you had quests, you did the quests, you got rewards. And events used to crash the game because servers were even worse back then. The number of players hasn't changed significantly.

[Perfectly Valid School of Magic]

Originally posted by Hydrataur:

Originally posted by AceKitty:

I agree wit the OP I remember back in the old days, it was way more fun Hell I dont care about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ free gems I don't even get em most of the times, because i dont want to even bother myself to log daily just to get a stupid login reward that is as useless as the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ events, Back then events used to be fun to the point people would log in, and crash the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game because so many people wanted to play the events. that alone proves the point of the main OP the game has a good event right now, the arena one, I see nobody crashing the game because So many users are loggin in to play the event the game itself is becoming deserted. Back than events used to be about fun and rewarding, nowdays its about Money! Events are only released for walletwarriors, Oh look a event, Meh nvm I dont care to log on smite, Because I know this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ event is only for people with a big wallet, I know that this stupid event will force me to get my wallet if i wana take part in it, AND YES This is true, stop defending hirez. Sure they let you be part of the event by doing some little quests BUT YOU NEVER truely take part in the event, Because the main thing is locked behind a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ paywall. You'll never get the chance at it. this lead to more Exclusive skins and limited. Instead focusing on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game they're just focusing on stupid events to net more money, and each event is geting worse. Soon its not called Events they should call it Gimme your money! I see no point in staying on smite for more than just one match or two, after that, Its just meh there is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TO NO REASON To play this game more than 2 matchs. The end.

The way events have been implemented has only changed for the better. It used to be that free players, or those who didn't spend gems on the event got nothing. Now they get a few small rewards. Just look at the Odyssey or the Season Ticket which both get you things just for playing without spending money at all. Sure you don't have the top tier item, but they need to make money somehow and if they gave the entire event for free you'd get nothing. And the way events played out is also identical, you had quests, you did the quests, you got rewards. And events used to crash the game because servers were even worse back then. The number of players hasn't changed significantly.

And you can get rewards in these new adventures just for playing the game.

[Senseo1990]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by Senseo1990:

Lol I never understood all the crying about matchmaking. There are people who are much better than you, face them. Simple as that. Take a few losses. Gamers seem to have the idea that games shouldnt be a challenge but a constant pat on the back. Nope.

If you cant lose, then dont play competitive games.

Except MM is genuinely an issue. Just that most people who used to post here about it did so with bad reasons, or not understanding how it actually works and making assumptions (which in a lot of cases, may have been incorrect/inaccurate).

How is it an issue? It works. It matches you against other players. It wouldnt be an issue if it matched you to entirely random players either.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by Senseo1990:

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Except MM is genuinely an issue. Just that most people who used to post here about it did so with bad reasons, or not understanding how it actually works and making assumptions (which in a lot of cases, may have been incorrect/inaccurate).

How is it an issue? It works. It matches you against other players. It wouldnt be an issue if it matched you to entirely random players either.

Technically, yes, it works on the most fundamental level of MM (matching 1 team to another team).
That doesn't mean it works well (or as well as it could) for this kind of game. It would be an issue if it matched you against entirely random players. Because that wouldn't be working well at all (again, for this kind of game).

MM is used in competetive games (like MOBAs) in a way that should mean players face fairly equal skill levels. HiRez has even stated that this is what they want (see reddit threads about this), but they also want a focus on shorter queues. With them improving matchmaking, that suggests that it was an issue before, otherwise it wouldn't need improving.

Your previous comment (that I was replying to before) also says it should be a challenge. How is it a challenge if it is a complete steamroll? THat works both ways - 1 team is utterly destroyed, and your comment about learning from it works. But the other team learns nothing from this and probably thinks it was a waste of their time.

[fatigue]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by Senseo1990:

How is it an issue? It works. It matches you against other players. It wouldnt be an issue if it matched you to entirely random players either.

Technically, yes, it works on the most fundamental level of MM (matching 1 team to another team).
That doesn't mean it works well (or as well as it could) for this kind of game. It would be an issue if it matched you against entirely random players. Because that wouldn't be working well at all (again, for this kind of game).

MM is used in competetive games (like MOBAs) in a way that should mean players face fairly equal skill levels. HiRez has even stated that this is what they want (see reddit threads about this), but they also want a focus on shorter queues. With them improving matchmaking, that suggests that it was an issue before, otherwise it wouldn't need improving.

Your previous comment (that I was replying to before) also says it should be a challenge. How is it a challenge if it is a complete steamroll? THat works both ways - 1 team is utterly destroyed, and your comment about learning from it works. But the other team learns nothing from this and probably thinks it was a waste of their time.

Are the mm fixes being implemented next patch or something? I'd like to get more even matches where I can learn a little more of the game each time rather than getting steamrolled and having allies be salty spamming VER.

[RecalledDread]

They have been doing some tests on different queues.
They have already done them for Arena and Normal Conquest.
I'm not sure if they left the changes in after they finished the tests on those queues.

I'm also not sure when they will apply it to all queues more permanently.

[TrollPlayerMx]

i know how brokens its the MM when you have a high winrate i had 65% winrate and got matched with newbies, so i just started to play with friend and oly with friend, i got only full party queues , if not i dont play, the best way to beat the MM its going a full queue party if you cant win with friend that mean your level is low

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

i know how brokens its the MM when you have a high winrate i had 65% winrate and got matched with newbies, so i just started to play with friend and oly with friend, i got only full party queues , if not i dont play, the best way to beat the MM its going a full queue party if you cant win with friend that mean your level is low

in which mode did you have 65% winrate?

joust this season and the past i ended with 63% winrate with 200 matches

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

joust this season and the past i ended with 63% winrate with 200 matches

yeah, I thought so. It is quite unrealistic in any reasonable mode where the competition is "fair".
You shouldn't complain about it though. As in a realistic mathematic model you can't have winrate higher than 50%+1 if the matchmaking is working properly. Because that would mean you are fighting weaker opponents most of the time. Joust is dirty with "cheating" picks and premades.

uh, so that means if i have more skill than my opponents im cheating? lol chill mate

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

Originally posted by RoofCat:

yeah, I thought so. It is quite unrealistic in any reasonable mode where the competition is "fair".
You shouldn't complain about it though. As in a realistic mathematic model you can't have winrate higher than 50%+1 if the matchmaking is working properly. Because that would mean you are fighting weaker opponents most of the time. Joust is dirty with "cheating" picks and premades.

uh, so that means if i have more skill than my opponents im cheating? lol chill mate

I think the point was more about premades bloating your win rate.

You could easily be the worst person in the match, and shouldn't be matched with any of the other players and still get tons of wins because your team carried for example.

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

uh, so that means if i have more skill than my opponents im cheating? lol chill mate

I think the point was more about premades bloating your win rate.

You could easily be the worst person in the match, and shouldn't be matched with any of the other players and still get tons of wins because your team carried for example.

im play alone most of the time :)

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

uh, so that means if i have more skill than my opponents im cheating? lol chill mate

no, I was just talking about preferable picks and team comps in Joust which I'm pretty sure you are aware of. Also about the fact, that if you have more victories than loses, it doesn't mean you are great. It means matchmaking hasn't been able to find worthy opponents for you quite a few times. Because the result of fair matchup is rather undecided. Like flipping a coin. 50/50.

If that's ranked joust, you climb through ranks and get better opponents. No impact on anything else.
If that's casual joust, once you leave joust and go for other modes, you are rather f-ed. Because the matchmaking will put you in teams with weaker players or against better opponents. And pubstomp will be much harder in some of them or you won't be able to choose few favorite gods at all like in assault. All because you were so "good" before and because there is just one global rating for all casuals afaik. And since it is rather proper choices than incredible skill, you could lose a bit more than usual. Again, matchmaking may not be able to find perfect opponents for you every time, so you may still win some games. But I would expect quite a few rough games.
There is a lot of theory, guesses and subjective experience in all this. But that would make sense by design and because of math.

duuude, chill, you dont know how i play, i can carry the matches if i go any role that wasnt support ,and some times im MVP with supports vs diamond players but i dont need to give explication to a random guy in steam

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Originally posted by Suggar Daddy:

duuude, chill, you dont know how i play, i can carry the matches if i go any role that wasnt support ,and some times im MVP with supports vs diamond players but i dont need to give explication to a random guy in steam

and you don't know how probability math works. Just saying. There is always someone else as good as you or better or younger or smarter or quicker... So if you get proper MM, your chances to win are 50/50 in long run.

maths? if i have 1000 matches and i win 650 thats isnt unfair MM that means im better than most people, yes exist a lot of better people, and thats the reason because i lost 350, i dont know what its your winrate but right now i have 58% winrate thanks to i was so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad in s2 so i lost a lot but this last 2 season i ended with a 59-60% winrate

[TrollPlayerMx]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

... in joust. Are we running in circles?

in all the game modes, i have 58% globar winrate includin my 500 ranked games ( most duel and conquest

[FrostedDuck]

probably, but you're right it is kind of terrible for people right now. I study art and do many things to generate coordination and, people do things beyond what a general response to anything would be; or, they overreact and do disgusting things.

I don't entirely mind the feeling of that, but I'm essentially just making the best of a bad situation, and all you can really do is what's within your power to do, which is gross and not a good way to think at all. The bigger issue is that the people playing the game are making the assertion that I actually want to behave like them, instead of the way that they're intending that I act, and I don't find that amusing.

However if you pay attention to the dates and look at it that way I'm sure it's not that bad, you'd just have to know the dates, like 3/19ish until 4/23 or 5/15 or so, you just kind of have to know what you're dealing with. More importantly, something something something