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Most of these need to be bought PER GOD
Ares can pull gods that dont have beads or cloak, Nu Wa can still hurt enemies without aegis.
Phantom can cover the entire enemy team if one person has it.
At max. 2 people have to buy it.
Then there's the cooldown thing. Most ults @40% CDR can be used for ~40 seconds before a related relic can be used again. While, again if a total of 2! people in the enemy team commit to it, THEIR ENTIRE TEAM is immune to Odins ult whenever he uses it. And for it to still be usefull if only 1 person has it, he has to find a way to apply it properly so that it does anything anyway.
And of course, that's ignoring that every god with a blink (like merlin) or leap (ironically Odin) can escape it with no relic at all and without much of a commitment (unlike those who have CC immunity on Ults, who need to waste their ults to block Ares etc.)
Weak =/= useless
the ult does not only have a weakness, it is entirely without use. Complete, utter trash.
Again, it's not like a single person can buy their way out of his ult with a huge commitment, a single person can buy THEIR ENTIRE TEAM a way out of his ult.
And what if you trap somebody but they're not the one with phantom and the phantom owner is far away?
Odin's ult is still incredibly useful, even if phantom counters it.
If an ult is only useful on the 10th hour of easter, when the sun is at a 90° angle to the current position of the pope, then it's completely cool to not change it at the least, it's still incredibly useful.
If you attach such qualifiers to ults, you'd sooner than later will be able to say that nothing is unbalanced, and that everything in this game is okey dokey.
You are removing an ult from play for 50% of the games runtime.
As soon as the game becomes more teamfight you either have to ult knowing they have phantom or reserve ult for when they dont have the phantom owner (s) anymore, which might either be never because you are down 1 ult from the get go, going into the fight, or against a single enemy that your team could have dealt with anyway.
Ares forces Beads onto all gods with no CC immunity in their kit, or who dont wanna waste their ult to dodge it.
A lot of gods force Relic onto enemy gods, but Odins is the only one that does not force an entire team to counterpick it. But just one person who can make it useless for everyone.
Also, I admit it might be useful in some Conquest scenarios, but it's naturally useless in all other modes, and situational and potentially still quite useless in conquest.
Same thing with Ares, his ult will be off CD before beads will be. You can really only get away with one before he does it again. Same with Odin, just use it more often.
Everyone has a counter.
A whole team buying Beads will counter a single Ares ult.
There's no comparison to be made here.
Especially since beads only block an aspect of Ares ult.
What you expect me to do, is to selectively only use my ult if either no enemy has PV up. Which will be rare if, again, 2 people buy it, or when none of the people at the Teamfight have their PV up (which means, if both are dead, or the one having it up is dead) which again, pretty rare unless I Ult suboptimally.
"Everyone has a counter" is not an argument.
it is insignificant when it comes to balancing.
Everything having a comparable amount of counters when looking at proportionally viable team comps is what counts.
Fact is, that in 3/4 modes Odins ult will be countered 100% of the time, if 2 phantom veils are being bought, while something comparably more powerful, an ares ult, is countered 50% of the time, when an entire team builds against it.
And even in the mode where you may not be able to counter it 100% of the time, it is comparably weak, countered not only by an easy relic choice but also a widely available type of skill.
On the other hand, phantom only counters very few abilities, making it actually waste a relic slot.
It's also able to just zone off a pretty big chunk out of a lane, even if the enemy does have phantom just due to the danger of 0% healing and Odin being immune to slow/roots.
We also can't forget his ult has a secondary passive effect giving up to 50 power just for enemies dying in the ring.
There's a reason this ability has been getting nothing but nerfs since season 3.
teamwork and some CDR and that phantom Veil isn't nearly as effective. Deal with it. They can get out of your ult.
I remember people griping about ares ult being useless thanks to beads... Blew their minds learning to use cool down so they could only stop every other ult.
This comment sums up the majority of the player base these days. ^
If ONE person out of five buys X, instead of focusing that ONE person, come to the forums and cry about how useless something is.
The amount of times Odin's Ult has absolutely changed the momentum and straight up outcome of my games.
in. any. mode.
Hey why don't you go play another god. Odin, or at least the strategy behind is ult, is clearly beyond you.
Have a nice day.
Focus that one person.
*by the time person x is dead, the fight is over, and there is no need for my ult anymore*
2 people buy the relic and it literally becomes impossible, unless I get to a state where using the ult is obsolete or I use it in such borderline impossible scenarios that it's just as useless.
You can pretend otherwise but that how it be.
You can come up with any solution to any restraint on any skill, that wont change the fact that that solution might in fact make the skill just as useless as if I just used it straight out the gate.
You'd argue, that a skill that is only available to use at 12 AM on a sunny day is completely okay, because you can just choose to only play on such days.
Or a skill that requires all your teammates to agree to you using it, because you can just "communicate with them"
Pretend as much as you want, your wannabe elitist "everything is viable if your e-peen is big enough" attitude wont change the way most of the game works.