Heimdall

[Jeeralt of Tilberia]

why does a heimdall level 5 with nothing but trans finished, do more damage per auto than literally any other hunter at level 8 with 2 full items finished, like I know they want people to buy him but they arent even being subtle this time

[RecalledDread]

His AA chain is 1.3, 1.3, 1.5.
Every other Hunter is 1, 1, 1.

Basically, Hemidallr has a progression like most gods in his AAs, but no other Hunter does.

[RecalledDread]

Some dev insight on his development for more detail;
https://www.smitegame.com/news/heimdallr-a-closer-look/

Essentially they wanted to make a Hunter that didn't feel formulaic, as players felt Hunters were too similar to each other.
To do this they;
- Made him tankier - like a lesser Warrior
- Has no temporary boosts to attack speed or power
- Cleaving AAs
- Vision mechanics
- New type of movement ability
- More unique ultimate

[Jeeralt of Tilberia]

just seems broken compared to every other hunter in the game, if he cleaves surely he should do less damage single target, but he chunks 300+ damage at level 5-7 depending on trans stacks, its a bit much

[Suntorias]

His DPS is still the same as anyone else's with the same power and AS. He has no confirmable damage in his abilities other than a channeling one(and his ult, whish is point-blank), meaning his AA DPS doesn't apply then anyways.

He's strong, but you have to look at the context.

[Jeeralt of Tilberia]

Originally posted by Suntorias:

His DPS is still the same as anyone else's with the same power and AS. He has no confirmable damage in his abilities other than a channeling one(and his ult, whish is point-blank), meaning his AA DPS doesn't apply then anyways.

He's strong, but you have to look at the context.

but most players arent target dummies, even if the dps is balanced, taking a stray hit from heim is the equivalent of getting crit by any other hunter, but it wasnt a crit, or rng related, it was just an incredibly strong auto

[Anonn 20 16]

i haven't had the oportunity to play with him yet but i've gone up against this god for the most part of the last 2 days. all i can say is that ouside of his 2 (that's the horn thing, right?) he feels like other hunters. the crystal thing is cool and all but since you know where it is there is no surprise there.

yes he does a good amount of damage but at this point in time i prefer to play against him instead of a xba for example (which is considered bad for some reason)

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

just seems broken compared to every other hunter in the game, if he cleaves surely he should do less damage single target, but he chunks 300+ damage at level 5-7 depending on trans stacks, its a bit much

Of course he is going to seem broken. He is new.
Compared to all other Hunters, sure, they are trying new things.
What you seem to be doing, is comparing them on damage alone.

Look at their kits, see that Heimdallr has things that the others don't (Vision), then look at what he doesn't have. No steroids of any kind, unlike almost every other hunter (hence why they wanted to try something new, as mentioned in the link).

He does less damage with his cleaves.
Read the link I gave, it gives more info.
His cleaves do 33% damage, and only the first 2 hits in the chain are cleaves.

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

but most players arent target dummies, even if the dps is balanced, taking a stray hit from heim is the equivalent of getting crit by any other hunter, but it wasnt a crit, or rng related, it was just an incredibly strong auto

"It's not RNG related" - Great!
That means we can actually play around the extra damage. Know his 3rd hit is incoming? Make sure to dodge it. Or save an ability for it. Worry more about that 3rd hit than the first 2 in the chain. Can't do that with Crit.

[Suntorias]

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

but most players arent target dummies, even if the dps is balanced, taking a stray hit from heim is the equivalent of getting crit by any other hunter, but it wasnt a crit, or rng related, it was just an incredibly strong auto

So? That's a clear error on those players' part, it's their own fault if they get hit then.

[Kunogi]

Originally posted by Suntorias:

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

but most players arent target dummies, even if the dps is balanced, taking a stray hit from heim is the equivalent of getting crit by any other hunter, but it wasnt a crit, or rng related, it was just an incredibly strong auto

So? That's a clear error on those players' part, it's their own fault if they get hit then.

Actually heim dmg is 30% 30% 50%, and thats in trade off with attack speed, so, he is actually slower than any other hunter by an guaranteed dmg boost, that is less than crit, as the crit does 100% extra dmg, and to not let him one shot they reduced it crit dmg by 30%, otherwise u could stack the +50% next AA, +30% crit, +15% on cc, then u cc with slow and one shot anyone with 2k + dmg per hit. But i agree he needs some fine tuning in his kit.

[Vais Varg O Røthh]

Classic hi rez.

[Kunogi]

They need to nerf its ult, like 75% dmg reduction or so, cause omg, the thing one shots u everytime.

[LukanGamer]

Originally posted by Kunogi:

They need to nerf its ult, like 75% dmg reduction or so, cause omg, the thing one shots u everytime.

it does need nerf, but wouldn't call it 1shot full health. (and non full health 1 shots exist of course).

[Jeeralt of Tilberia]

Originally posted by Kunogi:

They need to nerf its ult, like 75% dmg reduction or so, cause omg, the thing one shots u everytime.

and thats ignoring the fact that its a 7? second long cc that does sever amounts of damage

[LukanGamer]

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

Originally posted by Kunogi:

They need to nerf its ult, like 75% dmg reduction or so, cause omg, the thing one shots u everytime.

and thats ignoring the fact that its a 7? second long cc that does sever amounts of damage

not really as big deal of a cc deal as you make it sound, since it takes you out of the fight like Ne zha, if it did stun lock you so enemy team could beat you up for those 7secs then ya that be beyond Op. (again though I do think he does a bit to much damage and I assume he will change over time as usual).

[Jeeralt of Tilberia]

Originally posted by LukanGamer:

Originally posted by SSG BlackJoe:

and thats ignoring the fact that its a 7? second long cc that does sever amounts of damage

not really as big deal of a cc deal as you make it sound, since it takes you out of the fight like Ne zha, if it did stun lock you so enemy team could beat you up for those 7secs then ya that be beyond Op. (again though I do think he does a bit to much damage and I assume he will change over time as usual).

I get your point, but hit the carry with it and not only are they completely out of the fight for 7 seconds, they are dead upon landing, also ne zha goes up with you, ccing himself, heimdall stays on the ground outputting full damage