No boot builds, pros and cons?

[~Sound Sage~]

So a youtuber by the name of dukesloth, brought to my attention a no boots baksura build. This made me wonder if other assassins can benefit from no boot builds, asl long as you build some movment speed.

what do you think? do you think this could be viable with any other kind of god?
what gods do you think this might be viable for?

[HoardedToiletPaperIn2020]

most of the time i'd build boots denpending on the situation maybe you have Nike's passive where you might not need boots but in my opinion warrior tabi and the attack speed on ninja is super valuble where do you get 40 power or 20 power and attack speed as well as 18% movement speed? The only pro of no boot builds i can really think of is maybe a valuble item like a hastened katana maybe or perhaps a defense/bruiser item. But to me the power and movement speed from warrior tabi and the attack speed and power from ninja tabi is super valuble for less then 2k gold

[RecalledDread]

Freya did it quite well before her rework due to her base movement speed (and since she normally built all rings anyway). Not sure if it still applies.

Mercury might be able to as well, though I'd keep boots until the end game, then purchase Hastened Fatalis if I were doing that, to keep the early speed and power (perfering Golden Blade over Hastened early on).

Downside to no boots is that you lose early movement. Depending on your role, this is very dangerous/bad. Hunters need the movement early. Rushing the stacking item - in my experience - has led to losing early on as you can be rushed down far more easily.
Support obviously needs to keep up with them, and the extra mvoement from boots helps with blocking shots, or escaping (particularly since they tend to feel slow anyway).

Mid is the same, you'll just get rushed down.
Solo is ok, they normally have sustain, or at least can take a hit.
Jungle seems to be the only viable one really. And even then, I'd still think that getting them early is better, since you can always sell them late after having other movement items finished.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by Playing Smite All Day:

It works on Athena, and maybe Apolllo, cause they can rotate. Most of the time? You can only do that at end-game but you have to use like a damage item that has movespeed in it, or it really depends sometimes you can just be a walking fortress. But like being able to catch up on a target is always helpful.

I would disagree on those 2.
You don't just need speed for rotations, you also need it to reposition quickly in a fight, or dodge auto's whilst boxing, or chase/flee where needed.

Building more movement speed items to make up for it on characters that don't normally build movement speed means you lack in other ares. WIth Apollo, it's crit, attack speed, lifesteal, or pen (or some combination of those). With Athena, it's mostly protection/support items (unless you're jungle, in which case I don't know what she normally builds).

[Hydrataur]

Don't really play Conquest, but I never build boots on Kali/Bakasura/Bellona becuase I get 2/3 swords which end up giving me more than enough MS.

[RektKush]

on rat.. hes doesnt need boot at all since he got item with movement..l

[Hydrataur]

Originally posted by Kick out Master:

on rat.. hes doesnt need boot at all since he got item with movement..l

And he also kinda can't buy them

[Ragnoraok]

Pros: You marginally deal more damage

Cons: You take longer to get online since boots have the greatest value out of all the items. Also, good luck chasing anyone who has boots and has a built in movement speed buff or escape.

Bonus con: If you do poorly in Conquest without building boots, you can 100% be assured that you will get reported for trolling.

High risk, mediocre-high reward.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Pros: You marginally deal more damage

Cons: You take longer to get online since boots have the greatest value out of all the items. Also, good luck chasing anyone who has boots and has a built in movement speed buff or escape.

Bonus con: If you do poorly in Conquest without building boots, you can 100% be assured that you will get reported for trolling.

High risk, mediocre-high reward.

I would drop the "high" part of the reward.

You can't chase, you can't escape (even with the extra movement speed type abilities), you can't box effectively (again, lack of movement).
In return you theoretically deal more damage, but practically you likely deal less overall as you get ran down and killed/forced to back more often (assuming the enemy recognises you have no boots).

In fact, with that in mind, I'd remove the reward part altogether.

The exception being gods like Freya, or Kali, Mercury etc who can afford to sell/forego boots due to the high number of movement speed items that work well on them currently.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Pros: You marginally deal more damage

Cons: You take longer to get online since boots have the greatest value out of all the items. Also, good luck chasing anyone who has boots and has a built in movement speed buff or escape.

Bonus con: If you do poorly in Conquest without building boots, you can 100% be assured that you will get reported for trolling.

High risk, mediocre-high reward.

I would drop the "high" part of the reward.

You can't chase, you can't escape (even with the extra movement speed type abilities), you can't box effectively (again, lack of movement).
In return you theoretically deal more damage, but practically you likely deal less overall as you get ran down and killed/forced to back more often (assuming the enemy recognises you have no boots).

In fact, with that in mind, I'd remove the reward part altogether.

The exception being gods like Freya, or Kali, Mercury etc who can afford to sell/forego boots due to the high number of movement speed items that work well on them currently.

I agree. I was being very lenient, but in all honestly every god should build boots since they offer so much value. Now in DOTA, certain characters could get away without building boots since movement speed options are so varied.

[The Ohio Question]

Honestly i think the whole boot idea is outdated, just buff everyones default movment speed by the boot stat, and allow a 6th actual item slot. Its default what 99% if builds use and the only reason to get it is cause everyone else gets them. Selling a solution to a problem it itself creates if you will.

Just feels like a vestige of the days where mobas were just mods of warcraft.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by Fermit the Krog:

Honestly i think the whole boot idea is outdated, just buff everyones default movment speed by the boot stat, and allow a 6th actual item slot. Its default what 99% if builds use and the only reason to get it is cause everyone else gets them. Selling a solution to a problem it itself creates if you will.

Just feels like a vestige of the days where mobas were just mods of warcraft.

Yes, in SMITE boots should be taken out since they are practically mandatory. However, in other REAL MOBAS, that have mechanics that are actually sound and sophisticated, the equivalent of boots offer movement speed but typically have horrible stats that can be otherwise sacrificed for items with more utility.

[massgunner32]

The only god i think can work without boots is Ra, since he passively increases movement speed with each ability used and the Staff of airsclepus gets half the job done, Boots may sound like forcing your god to get movement speed, however you are also missing the additional stats offered by it.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by massgunner32:

The only god i think can work without boots is Ra, since he passively increases movement speed with each ability used and the Staff of airsclepus gets half the job done, Boots may sound like forcing your god to get movement speed, however you are also missing the additional stats offered by it.

Except you have to constantly use mana to keep that speed up. You also end up with abilities you might need on CD, AND people can see the abilities over wall (or hear them) so they know you're there.

[massgunner32]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by massgunner32:

The only god i think can work without boots is Ra, since he passively increases movement speed with each ability used and the Staff of airsclepus gets half the job done, Boots may sound like forcing your god to get movement speed, however you are also missing the additional stats offered by it.

Except you have to constantly use mana to keep that speed up. You also end up with abilities you might need on CD, AND people can see the abilities over wall (or hear them) so they know you're there.

Is easy if you build with Cronos pendant, charge your passive at the fountain, and using only his 2 to keep the bonus from restarting, but i'd rather buy boots.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by massgunner32:

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Except you have to constantly use mana to keep that speed up. You also end up with abilities you might need on CD, AND people can see the abilities over wall (or hear them) so they know you're there.

Is easy if you build with Cronos pendant, charge your passive at the fountain, and using only his 2 to keep the bonus from restarting, but i'd rather buy boots.

So you spend 2800 gold to get Chronos Pendant so you can get the same speed (maybe slightly more?) as getting boots for 1600? You also miss out on the early power/CDR/Mana depending on what boots you get.

Much rather get the boots as it gives a constant amount, AND still make some use of the passive where needed (returning to lane for example).

On top of that, you mentioned buying Rod of Asclepius. Not a bad item for him, but again, it's the cost. You are essentially buying 2 - fairly expensive - items just to keep that movement speed up. You lose so much early game by doing it as he has no escape to fall back on if he gets ganked..