2 Baron Samedi Counter Picks

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I'm sure theres still plenty of Gods that can directly counter Baron Samedi but so far me and a friend of I have found 2 that directly counter Barons ultimate.

1. Mercury, As Mercury you can ult into baron while being pulled into his coffin and this will cancel his ultimate (Mercury will take damage but will not be CC'ed) you can then follow up with your 3 as Mercury and CC Baron himself.

2. Amaterasu, Amaterasu does something similar to Mercury. As Amaterasu you can ult and purposely run into Barons coffin while hes in his ult animation and this will stop his ultimate but not Amaterasu's because she still has CC immunity.
Doing so drops Barons CC immunity (Obviously) and allows Amaterasu to get a free stun on Baron.

[Prof.Jackie]

Both are not really counterpicks.
Why would you ult into Barons ultimate as Merc, that desn't make any sense.
And why would you let yourself be hit by his ult as Amaterasu if you are using your own ult at the same time? You are CC immune so you won't be pulled anyway, why take the free dmg if you can just stay on the outer edge or simply outside his range simply hit and stun him..

If you want to protect your teammates from his dmg a real counter would be Sobek. As soon as Baron starts his ultimate you start yours and dive towards him. This will cancel his ultimate and you wont be stunned and immideatly apply your slow so your team can kill him.

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Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

You are CC immune so you won't be pulled anyway, why take the free dmg if you can just stay on the outer edge or simply outside his range simply hit and stun him..

Baron is CC immune in his ultimate aswell, so you wouldnt be able to stun him as Ama. She has to to purposely get hit by the coffin. Which really isnt even a big deal when you're building Ama tank

[SheepMan]

I would say Ymir. Nice stun, good Slows. Can kamikaze Baron Samedi ult especially with Magi's Cloak

[RecalledDread]

I can see it being a good idea to cc immune ult into Baron's ultimate in some cases, but not many. Maybe if it's to get the kill AND save a team mate, or prevent him from joining being able to join a team fight nearby, but otherwise it seems too risky to be worth it.
I certainly wouldn't do it just for the sake of getting the stun. Only if the rest of my team was in danger of it.

I would say anyone with some kind of mobility to get in AND out would be perfect. Serqet and Bastet are great examples. You can get in, poke him down, and get out. Then just repeat until he has to back off or is dead.

Alternatively, someone like Nemesis who can slow him, or CC him otherwise,AND get back out (whether you blink in, or use 2 movement abilities).

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

Both are not really counterpicks.
Why would you ult into Barons ultimate as Merc, that desn't make any sense.
And why would you let yourself be hit by his ult as Amaterasu if you are using your own ult at the same time? You are CC immune so you won't be pulled anyway, why take the free dmg if you can just stay on the outer edge or simply outside his range simply hit and stun him..

If you want to protect your teammates from his dmg a real counter would be Sobek. As soon as Baron starts his ultimate you start yours and dive towards him. This will cancel his ultimate and you wont be stunned and immideatly apply your slow so your team can kill him.

Isn't your point about SObek identical to OPs? You seem to be suggesting to use the CC immunity of an ultimate with the folowup CC. THe difference being Sobeks is a slow, Ama's is a Stun (he might be able to get his slow immunity after his ult, so Sobek might have a harder time).

[Rain Reborn]

TA-DA!

[RoofCat]

Why would you even worry about the ult and how to negate stun, when you can simply escape it with your own ult on many gods or some jump? Simple example - Neith. Backflip, ult stun right after Samedi ult is over, blow up weave and root again with 1. Finish.
Rama, Chernobog, Apollo, etc... can be evil to Samedi too.
Agni - if Samedi isn't in ult, you can poke him dead with 2 ult hits from safe range and some stun combo, add wave if needed or 3rd ult hit. Thoth - long range poke ridiculing immobile Samedi. Raijin similar. And so on.
Thor, Bastet, Da ji, good Thanatos...
Guardians and warriors should have some armor to start with...

You don't run straight into Anubis. Why would you do so into Samedi? I feel like this whole Samedi story is blown out of proportion. Samedi addition has made a lot of Sunday players rejoin Smite. At least that's what I see in my games. Probably more than any other recent addition. Again, my subjective experience. Once people learn to deal with him and chill of, he will be quite fine with probably some small adjustments. You can't make him much weaker as he is sitting duck with no mobility.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Why would you even worry about the ult and how to negate stun, when you can simply escape it with your own ult on many gods or some jump? Simple example - Neith. Backflip, ult stun right after Samedi ult is over, blow up weave and root again with 1. Finish.
Rama, Chernobog, Apollo, etc... can be evil to Samedi too.
Agni - if Samedi isn't in ult, you can poke him dead with 2 ult hits from safe range and some stun combo, add wave if needed or 3rd ult hit. Thoth - long range poke ridiculing immobile Samedi. Raijin similar. And so on.
Thor, Bastet, Da ji, good Thanatos...
Guardians and warriors should have some armor to start with...

You don't run straight into Anubis. Why would you do so into Samedi? I feel like this whole Samedi story is blown out of proportion. Samedi addition has made a lot of Sunday players rejoin Smite. At least that's what I see in my games. Probably more than any other recent addition. Again, my subjective experience. Once people learn to deal with him and chill of, he will be quite fine with probably some small adjustments. You can't make him much weaker as he is sitting duck with no mobility.

I have personally tested this with Thor, and unless you are at the very edge of his ultimate, Thor's hammer will not save him; he will still be in range to get sucked back.

[Prof.Jackie]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

Both are not really counterpicks.
Why would you ult into Barons ultimate as Merc, that desn't make any sense.
And why would you let yourself be hit by his ult as Amaterasu if you are using your own ult at the same time? You are CC immune so you won't be pulled anyway, why take the free dmg if you can just stay on the outer edge or simply outside his range simply hit and stun him..

If you want to protect your teammates from his dmg a real counter would be Sobek. As soon as Baron starts his ultimate you start yours and dive towards him. This will cancel his ultimate and you wont be stunned and immideatly apply your slow so your team can kill him.

Isn't your point about SObek identical to OPs? You seem to be suggesting to use the CC immunity of an ultimate with the folowup CC. THe difference being Sobeks is a slow, Ama's is a Stun (he might be able to get his slow immunity after his ult, so Sobek might have a harder time).

My point is that Sobeks ult will not run out after you forced Barons to stop. And when you end your ultimate Baron will also take the full amount of dmg because he doesn't have his mitigation buff anymore. Another thing is that Sobeks ult can be used to zone the enemy team away, this would prevent B aron from healing his team when they get zoned out of range.

With Amaterasu the ideal thing would be to start you ultimate 1+ second after Baron started his. This way his will run out exactly when you hit your 3rd strike meaning he would take full dmg from that and get stunned as well, no need to take the dmg from his coffin stun.

Originally posted by CGS SheepMan:

I would say Ymir. Nice stun, good Slows. Can kamikaze Baron Samedi ult especially with Magi's Cloak

Or you could just use your wall to force him to reposition and potentially block the stun

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

My point is that Sobeks ult will not run out after you forced Barons to stop. And when you end your ultimate Baron will also take the full amount of dmg because he doesn't have his mitigation buff anymore. Another thing is that Sobeks ult can be used to zone the enemy team away, this would prevent B aron from healing his team when they get zoned out of range.

With Amaterasu the ideal thing would be to start you ultimate 1+ second after Baron started his. This way his will run out exactly when you hit your 3rd strike meaning he would take full dmg from that and get stunned as well, no need to take the dmg from his coffin stun.

Does Ama's ult stop when you stop Barons ult then? She is CC immune, so I wouldn't think so.
Am I missing something here?
I get the damage mitigations point though, and whilst Sobek is also good for the same reason that OP mentions (stopping the ult) Ama's stun might be more useful in some situations as well.

The stun from Ama would also prevent him from healing at all, can be followed up by more abilities easier, and can zone the team out a little (depends on their positioning to begin with, and what way they scatter from Ama to avoid stun).

Taking the damage from the stun is fine if it's to prevent a team mate from taking it. Ama and Sobek are likely more tanky than the rest of the team, or they may have more health to spare, especially since they'll also be CC immune and avoid the stun.

[RoofCat]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

I have personally tested this with Thor, and unless you are at the very edge of his ultimate, Thor's hammer will not save him; he will still be in range to get sucked back.

trade ult for ult and wait out in the air?

[Prof.Jackie]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

My point is that Sobeks ult will not run out after you forced Barons to stop. And when you end your ultimate Baron will also take the full amount of dmg because he doesn't have his mitigation buff anymore. Another thing is that Sobeks ult can be used to zone the enemy team away, this would prevent B aron from healing his team when they get zoned out of range.

With Amaterasu the ideal thing would be to start you ultimate 1+ second after Baron started his. This way his will run out exactly when you hit your 3rd strike meaning he would take full dmg from that and get stunned as well, no need to take the dmg from his coffin stun.

Does Ama's ult stop when you stop Barons ult then? She is CC immune, so I wouldn't think so.
Am I missing something here?
I get the damage mitigations point though, and whilst Sobek is also good for the same reason that OP mentions (stopping the ult) Ama's stun might be more useful in some situations as well.

The stun from Ama would also prevent him from healing at all, can be followed up by more abilities easier, and can zone the team out a little (depends on their positioning to begin with, and what way they scatter from Ama to avoid stun).

Taking the damage from the stun is fine if it's to prevent a team mate from taking it. Ama and Sobek are likely more tanky than the rest of the team, or they may have more health to spare, especially since they'll also be CC immune and avoid the stun.

No Ama's ult would not be canceled. The whole thinkg I was thinking about is that I don't see a point giving away 15% hp + magical dmg for free if it can be avoided. Also this whole scenario was about only yourself affected by Barons ult.

If your teammates get focused and have no way to escape then ofc it's your job to cancel Barons ult. In this case as Amaterasu you should clearly engage him with your ult up, canceling his and applying full dmg and stun on the third strike.

And still if I had both on my team I'd rather have Sobek take Barons ultimate than Amaterasu because of the reasons I explained above.

Also if the only criteria for a counter would be a CC imme abillity agains Baron wouldn't Achilles be a better counter because he's tankier than Amaterasu and also could dash in faster with his ultimate.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

I have personally tested this with Thor, and unless you are at the very edge of his ultimate, Thor's hammer will not save him; he will still be in range to get sucked back.

trade ult for ult and wait out in the air?

Thats besides the point. You stated that Thor's hammer was effective when it is not.

In fact, most escapes will not be enough to escape the vacuum; you need to have a cc immune ult or aegis since beads don't help either.

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

No Ama's ult would not be canceled. The whole thinkg I was thinking about is that I don't see a point giving away 15% hp + magical dmg for free if it can be avoided. Also this whole scenario was about only yourself affected by Barons ult.

If your teammates get focused and have no way to escape then ofc it's your job to cancel Barons ult. In this case as Amaterasu you should clearly engage him with your ult up, canceling his and applying full dmg and stun on the third strike.

And still if I had both on my team I'd rather have Sobek take Barons ultimate than Amaterasu because of the reasons I explained above.

Also if the only criteria for a counter would be a CC imme abillity agains Baron wouldn't Achilles be a better counter because he's tankier than Amaterasu and also could dash in faster with his ultimate.

The situation isn't necessarily a 1v1 scenario (unless I've misinterpretted the OP, I assumed this was a general counter).
If it is a 1v1, then yes, taking the damage is pointless. In a team scenario (which most games will be), it might be worth it in some situations.

For Achilles, he has a fairly long windup. Amaterasu can probably still close in as quickly, if not quicker. I also think Achilles ult slows down more than Amaterasu's.

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Originally posted by RoofCat:

trade ult for ult and wait out in the air?

Thats besides the point. You stated that Thor's hammer was effective when it is not.

In fact, most escapes will not be enough to escape the vacuum; you need to have a cc immune ult or aegis since beads don't help either.

I didn't see a mention of Thor's Hammer anywhere in the other post.

[CrOnA]

Originally posted by ♚ Judoh ♚:

I'm sure theres still plenty of Gods that can directly counter Baron Samedi but so far me and a friend of I have found 2 that directly counter Barons ultimate.

1. Mercury, As Mercury you can ult into baron while being pulled into his coffin and this will cancel his ultimate (Mercury will take damage but will not be CC'ed) you can then follow up with your 3 as Mercury and CC Baron himself.

2. Amaterasu, Amaterasu does something similar to Mercury. As Amaterasu you can ult and purposely run into Barons coffin while hes in his ult animation and this will stop his ultimate but not Amaterasu's because she still has CC immunity.
Doing so drops Barons CC immunity (Obviously) and allows Amaterasu to get a free stun on Baron.

he does take 50% less damage while ulting tho

[CrOnA]

Originally posted by capt.jackharkness:

Both are not really counterpicks.
Why would you ult into Barons ultimate as Merc, that desn't make any sense.
And why would you let yourself be hit by his ult as Amaterasu if you are using your own ult at the same time? You are CC immune so you won't be pulled anyway, why take the free dmg if you can just stay on the outer edge or simply outside his range simply hit and stun him..

If you want to protect your teammates from his dmg a real counter would be Sobek. As soon as Baron starts his ultimate you start yours and dive towards him. This will cancel his ultimate and you wont be stunned and immideatly apply your slow so your team can kill him.

he is cc immune during ult lol