Zhong Kui???

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Where is he no likes to play him no more did he become trash or something wat happen.

[achilleas_demetriou]

zhong kui is just fine the way he is now. he doesnt need a buff or nerf

[Auni[TExP]]

he was never good in mid.
He could go solo few patches ago, but since warrior blessing , also no reason to play ANY caster on sololane.

few problems with zong.

1.) no escape, in the actually meta its deadly in mid , assassin got 24/7 speedbuff, and 90 % blink.

2.) His waveclear, you heal up, thats fine, BUT you have to go so near to the minions.
Same problem like on point 1, mid is atm very gank heavy. Also who dominates mid , win mostly the games!
cause you control from mid both sides of the jungle, and you are able to steal buffs if you dominate mid!

3.) Ultimate, its not a SIngle oneshot ultime like alot of other casters have.
It has also no range, ofcourse a farmed zhong kui can still win a teamfight. But the way to get a Feed zhong kui is nearly impossible , look to point 1,2

4.) Also he need a few things to get tanky, and also the change on some Items hurts him a little bit.
Alteast i was building few patches ago the one staff , it was so.
HP goes into magical power.
So you was able to stack endless HP and get a decent magical power amount!

This item got changed. few patches ago.

If you look to actuell top picks in mid, you will see what i mean.

Its bassicly

toth > Agni > Janus

Now i saw allready a few Nox, and also Sol or ra maybe .
Basicly all of this charakters got a escape on 3,
Janus has his portals and speedbuff.
Soll has his "ball"
And ya ra and also pos is little bit tricky, but both can clear the wave extremly fast and then they are save under the tower, or while they go ganking.
Warding is also neccesery for MID.

Anyway, all of this "good" picks got a decent wave clear from a save distance (except agni)
All of them got a good escape potential, except raa, but he has heals, good wave clear and speedbuff (passive)

And all of them got a long range Ultimate to nuke someone ;)

to be honest, i like zhong, but in this patch, he is relativ weak.
But this count not only for him, 30-40 gods are "useless" this patch ;/

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by AuniTExP:

Anyway, all of this "good" picks got a decent wave clear from a save distance (except agni)

Agni has good waveclear from range. His ultiamte is only 20 seconds, that's basically a long CD normal ability. It's not as wasteful (as long as you know you won't need it quickly) to use it on a minions as other ultimates would be.

Zhong is still useful, and isn't bottom of the barrel. There are just better choices for Conquest.
Other modes he does well in because thye focus more on team fighting. His ultiamte paried with a well timed Aegis can allow him to safely use his ultimate either to escape, or to engage, then back out after absorbing some ability cooldowns from the enemy.

Maybe people just find him too complicated? Or get frustrated when randoms steal stacks from him?

[achilleas_demetriou]

i've used zhong kui both on the mid lane and the solo lane and he is more than decent. i've also seen others carry the game with this god in conquest

[SNOW -33]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by AuniTExP:

Anyway, all of this "good" picks got a decent wave clear from a save distance (except agni)

Agni has good waveclear from range. His ultiamte is only 20 seconds, that's basically a long CD normal ability. It's not as wasteful (as long as you know you won't need it quickly) to use it on a minions as other ultimates would be.

Zhong is still useful, and isn't bottom of the barrel. There are just better choices for Conquest.
Other modes he does well in because thye focus more on team fighting. His ultiamte paried with a well timed Aegis can allow him to safely use his ultimate either to escape, or to engage, then back out after absorbing some ability cooldowns from the enemy.

Maybe people just find him too complicated? Or get frustrated when randoms steal stacks from him?

i dont think he's very good in other modes unless he's in a coordinated party, like any other god could be. people are too careless about minions to let him have anything most of the time, and he's slow and easy to pick in small maps. im really happy theyre changing the passives of these gods that have minion or god kill dependent passives, i hope they do something to fenrir next...

[RecalledDread]

I'd rather they hadn't made him simpler though.
If it was that he had to at least damage the minions first, it might be alright, and not oversimplifying it.
Currently you can make him choose to use the combo on you OR the wave. Now, he can just do either and still get the same benefits (except now he can also damage you regardless).

Xbalanque one, fair enough. Much harder to let someone get a kill on a player, and much riskier. On minions, it's easy, even on full solo queuers. I find that most people will let you do it. They might take a wave by mistake every now and then, but that's it (in my experience). Very rarely have I had a game where people intentionally took stacks, or refused to pay attention to the fact that I'm Zhong Kui.

[Auni[TExP]]

@recalldread about waveclear with ultimate on agni.

Ofcourse you can do this 1-2 times.
But seriosly, atleast in conquest, its better to use 4,1,4 into your opponent to send him back, and try to farm with 2 or even 3 if you got the space for this!

You can do 1 camp or 1 wave with your ulti, if you have all 3 up okay!
But i saw allready alot of agni's who farm waves nonstop with ultimate.
I mean yes, he can do that, but he has never ever killpotential alone in 1vs1!

If a agni do this against me, im relativ happy.
I just start to rotate against this agni, and he has alltime only 1 bomb rdy or max 2.
Thats not enough to oneshot anyone .

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by AuniTExP:

@recalldread about waveclear with ultimate on agni.

Ofcourse you can do this 1-2 times.
But seriosly, atleast in conquest, its better to use 4,1,4 into your opponent to send him back, and try to farm with 2 or even 3 if you got the space for this!

You can do 1 camp or 1 wave with your ulti, if you have all 3 up okay!
But i saw allready alot of agni's who farm waves nonstop with ultimate.
I mean yes, he can do that, but he has never ever killpotential alone in 1vs1!

If a agni do this against me, im relativ happy.
I just start to rotate against this agni, and he has alltime only 1 bomb rdy or max 2.
Thats not enough to oneshot anyone .

I think it's situational with Agni.
I sometimes prefer to use my 2, 1, 4(s) with the 4 hitting the wave at least once.
It depends on if I think I'll need it for possible ganks, if I just want to back (low health and/or mana), and if I think I will get the kill, or deal enough damage to make the opponent back.

I don't agree that he doesn't have kill potential alone in a 1v1. Again, this is situational as to builds, matchup, and abilities that are ready (possibly other things as well). He definitely can if it's a fair matchup. Almost guarenteed stun off of ALL of his abilities, along with 3-4 follow-up shots (3 ults, and his 2) that all do decent damage.

I also wasn't saying to use ONLY this on all the waves. Just that if needed, he can. If it isn't safe to come out of tower range (being camped by enemy jungle/support rotations), or if people are rotating over, and you need to clear quickly to help the fight (in which case, using 1 ultimate can be fine), or if you need to back (even using Hercules or Ra ults are fine in this case, especially if you won't need it soon).

[Auni[TExP]]

@recalledDrad yes i agree to all of this points .

I just mean, the "regulär" clear of agni is "shortrange" .
If you manage your bombs well, you are able to get bombs on waves.

Also like you said, if you feel a gank is comming, or you get a call that someone is missing, or your ward told you this.
Its allways good to clear the wave with 1 bomb.

Anyway, Agni is my favorit mage atm. and he got picked often in conquest ranked.
Maybe he is actually the best mage overall , but thats just subjectiv.