About Cerberus....

[Firehex]

1) Why is he guardian ?? Which ability helps him to save team or win fights except ult ?? Also he is squishy as paper.
2) He feels much more like short range damage dealer because of his quite powerful breath. But here comes another problem - any stun, knockup or silence and your only good source of damage ends...
3) His passive is nice, but only of enemy picked any healer. Does it works from vampiric or meditation at least ??
4) His spit ability somehow can't stun targets point blank range - you need to have some range from enemy to hit all 3 shots

So, in current state does this "god" feels fine to you guys or need some rework ?
P.S. I played with him only 2 games, maybe i missed something about him.

[SD97]

In duo lane Cerberus provides some of the highest pressure out of any guardian because of his 2 at level 1. Because at level 1 apart from Fenrir no support will pick up a cc ability, so if u run horrific and have a magical adc,u have kill potential at level 1. Not sure what you mean by him being squishy he has the same base protection as geb and sobek.
His stun is awkward to hit but once you get a feel for it (will take some time) that thing will absolutely chunk in the Laning phase. A simple 2-1 combo will leave the adc nearly dead if not entirely dead.
Plz note I am not saying he is the best guardian right now, the pressure meta of s5 in duo lane has somewhat reduced so other guardians have more value. He has a strong early game but definitely not the strongest, transitions well into the late game with his ult which is one of the better guardian ults but don't expect a Geb or a Fafnir late game from him. In other words IMO he is balanced.
That means if a player is good with him he can make him work, if not then he will have a less than mediocre to mediocre game. Certainly not a ranked pick.Definitely dropped quite a bit from his release, as he is absolutely nowhere to be seen in ranked nowadays.

[RecalledDread]

Slow from his 2, stun from his 1, just generally being a large-ish character to block shots.

You may as well say the same for Ares, since it's a similar kind of kit with regards to the potential to save someone; Cripple and slow from 1, some protections from his 2, then the ultimate.

As ObsidianKnight666 said as well, the better potential for a kill than some other supports at level 1.

The passive effects ALL healing. This should include;
- Healers and Healing abilities (Herc 3 etc)
- Healing passives (Ah Puch corpses, possibly Kali ultimate?)
- LIfesteal
- Potions
- Possibly general passive regen (HP5)
- Relics (Meditation, Bracer might work too)

[Firehex]

I don't play conquest much. What do you think about him in Arena and Clash ?
About sqishy - if i want to do good damage from his breath, then i need to stack power artifacts a lot and this means no space for defensive items. Hades feels much better for damage "tank" role.

[SD97]

Originally posted by Firehex:

I don't play conquest much. What do you think about him in Arena and Clash ?
About sqishy - if i want to do good damage from his breath, then i need to stack power artifacts a lot and this means no space for defensive items. Hades feels much better for damage "tank" role.

Well again if you are playing as a solo laner which is your "damage tank" role, then the first thing on your mind should be survivability. Can I survive 3 or more people beating on me at once? As such defense is your priority not the damage. As a warrior or a solo lane guardian aka your damage tank the job is not to delete squishies, it's to harass them, bully them out or force them out. For this reason, they have good base damage. Yeah hades may have better damage but he will be blown up just as fast coz he is a mage, unless he ults which gives him a ridiculous amounts of protections. Antiheal will also hardcounter him and again if you build him power he will be blown up quickly because he is so close range, if you build him tanky you can't oneshot squishies. It's one way or the other.
You can't do insane damage while being a tank(except Arthur Ymir and every other warrior and guardian because hirez don't care about balance) If there was a character who can do lots of damage while being survivable, then that character will legit be the most op thing ever.

[Firehex]

And still point is - what is the point of Cerberus in defence build, if he can't do anything except ult and maybe stun ?

[SD97]

He has a powerful slow a protection shred a huge model to body block, if you go on the squishies and hit ur 2-1 u will find the damage is not bad you are able to half hit or maybe more a squishier target easily. I did say his late game is not the strongest and his ultimate is a very good one I have no idea why you are so dissatisfied with it.
Many early game guardians are relevant in late game only because of their ults that doesn't make them bad. Sylvanus will become a ult bot late game, so will Ares. I am not saying they can't do other things, Sylvanus can displace someone, Ares can give a defensive aura and some cripples.
The thing is u are obsessed with damage or a strong form of cc. That does not happen for an early game guardian. I am guessing because you don't play much conquest you are not able to comprehend when a character reaches its power spike and when they tend to fall off. Cerberus reaches his power spike at lvls 2 ,5 ,9 and the level when his 1 or 2(depending on what you levelled second) is fully maxed. After that he will fall off. That's because he is an early to midgame guardian, not a late game guardian like Geb or Fafnir. That doesn't necessarily mean he is bad. Snowball early with him and you can make him work. Again I did say he is not a ranked pick he is just an average guardian right now, not too strong but definitely not weak.

[Firehex]

Hm... and why Geb and Fafnir are late game gods ?

[RecalledDread]

Cerberus in a defence build is for survivability. That's already been explained.
If you don't build defence, you die too quickly.

He is a Guardian, so scaling probably isn't as high as other classes, but he does have higher base damage to make up for it (as I believe all Guardians do as a general rule). This would make power less important compared to a Mage.

His ult requires him to ideally be in the middle of the enemy team for the best chance of hitting everyone. This means he is an immediate target, and since he gets slowed during this, has no way of avoiding the damage (maybe you can Aegis after casting the ult? but who buys Aegis on a tank...).

[Firehex]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

but who buys Aegis on a tank...).

I can buy it on any god vs nasty aoe ults like Zeus and Poseidon. But for tanks i will be better to have braclet maybe... Nvm it's offtopic
And still i don't see answer to my question - what's the point of him in defence build, if he lacks any helpful skills for teamfights except ult ? Athina taunt is much more useful than all his 3 skills =))

[RecalledDread]

He has his slow, which is pretty strong. His stun (once you get used to aiming it correctly). And generally having the statline that a Guardian should have, making protections helpful.

The healing siphon passive helps against various gods as well - particularly gods like Freya and Anubis, and other healing/lifesteal heavy gods.

It's possible you just don't connect with the god due to play style differences or something.

[Firehex]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

He has his slow, which is pretty strong. His stun (once you get used to aiming it correctly). And generally having the statline that a Guardian should have, making protections helpful.

The healing siphon passive helps against various gods as well - particularly gods like Freya and Anubis, and other healing/lifesteal heavy gods.

It's possible you just don't connect with the god due to play style differences or something.

Maybe. Under guardian i prefer to see gods with defence and nice CC.

[Taweret]

i think he might be support god for people who dont want to play pure tanks so they have some choice instead of picking other classes.

[SD97]

Originally posted by Firehex:

Hm... and why Geb and Fafnir are late game gods ?

Geb because of his shield which gets bigger and stays longer in duration as well as his ultimate which scales up in duration which will also deal larger percentage damage.
Fafnir is the opposite side of the coin of Geb. While Geb is a defensive lategame guardian Fafnir is offensive. His coerce in dragon form(as well as in dwarf form) is one of the best abilities a guardian can have. Put that on ur team and ur team can shred the enhanced fire giant in seconds. Don't know if you have seen the spl but Fafnir is a top pick right now.Fafnir will ult near enhanced FG and will just chase the enemy team away and can still gain value from his ult even if his team gets no kills because he can use his dragon form coerce to shred the enhanced FG. Ult again near a phoenix with FG on u and the enemy team can pretty much say goodbye to the phoenix. And obsiously he has his legendary 5 min stun, which he can use to pretty much 100-0 a squishy himself.
Maybe I am biased towards these gods but in all my time playing smite(which is admittedly not too long), I feel like there is no guardian who can match the late game of Geb and Fafnir.

[SD97]

Originally posted by Firehex:

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

but who buys Aegis on a tank...).

I can buy it on any god vs nasty aoe ults like Zeus and Poseidon. But for tanks i will be better to have braclet maybe... Nvm it's offtopic :D:
And still i don't see answer to my question - what's the point of him in defence build, if he lacks any helpful skills for teamfights except ult ? Athina taunt is much more useful than all his 3 skills =))

For this question I gave a very detailed answer of why he is valued, recalleddread also gave an answer.
And lastly even if you think Cerberus is not strong, your and my opinions don't matter at all. Hirez balances gods by looking at spl and high level ranked play. I for one will not be surprised if the next patch notes say
" Bellona has been played a lot in spl, her pressure at level1 and 1v1 potential is insane" and proceed to nerf her. Even though she has been doing the same thing since her release, that's just her design.
For Cerberus though I said repeatedly he is not the best guardian for teamfights but not bad either, so I think he is pretty balanced but again we will have to see.

[HelhiganM]

hades was a pretty good guardian.... easily countered but still really good...