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Taweret Jun 24, 2019 @ 6:56am
Loki is officially the WORST assassin of ANY moba and needs rework.
He was based on LoL shaco but he does everything worse than his counterpart, i will try compare assassins and their abilities from other mobas to Loki to prove that they do everything better:

LoL Shaco:
put invisible traps that deals ranged damage and can insta kill if stacked in bush, like dota techies mines if hes build on ability power stat, these traps also apply fear state to someone who trigger them so is cc ability.
dagger throw - active projectile that slows and can nuke if build on ap so another cc, passively slows movement of target with basic attacks.
ult: clone that follows target use basic attacks and explodes.

Smite Loki: static aoe clone that does nothing for pvp only taunt mobs usable only for split pushing.
he has no cc no debuffs, just attack dmg steroid that must be used between attacks and can be easily missed when the target is moving around especially when builds with high ms are common and has pathetic 1 sec stun ult blink that can be MISSED during combat and is easily blocked with relics.

DotA Rikimaru aka king of moba assassins:
smoke bomb, aoe cast that slow, silences, blinds - causes aa to miss and reduces vision.
Blink Strike, basically loki ult without stun but normal ability.
Cloak and Dagger, basically perm invis and backstab passive.
Tricks of the Trade ult - makes him invulnerable for the duration and cause him to striking enemies in aoe.

HotS Valera:
shes pretty much lite version of rogue from WoW that uses combo points mechanics:
she can be both aa bruiser build or blink strike nuke, a lot of silence, stun as basic ability with blink if stealthed so loki ult, armor reduction, slow, blind etc.
smoke bomb aoe ultimate similar to rikimaru but that makes you invisible during attacking and you can be only hit by aoes for duration.
the other ultimate is pretty much relic that cleanse you and reduces received magic dmg almost completely.

HoN Scout:
his passive is just raw crit for 2 sec that disarms opponent but it has cd to trigger again,
attacking from stealth give him massive attack speed,
he can place five sentry wards that can be detonated to aoe silence for six secs,
his ult is snipe... that is basically super long range nuke, similar to sniper from dota, that deals 30% of target hp + 250 and slow him down and perhaps apply dot.
not very impressive set but his movement speed in stealth is something else, can be generally compared to gondar from dota.

have in mind that dota and hon has items that give you passive aa ministuns.

i played LoL since beta for some years and in early stages when assassins were boosted remember like 80% of playerbase used them, aka shaco, evelyn, twitch. this is how the game got so popular because most of moba ppl are cheap bastards who want to stomp noobs and assassins tend to be extremely potent in low rank games where teamwork don't exist. can say same about rikimaru and scout.
so stop promoting loki as an icon in every smite cinematic, because someone who jump into smite can be only disappointed by him.
Last edited by Taweret; Jun 24, 2019 @ 7:08am
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RecalledDread Jun 24, 2019 @ 7:14am 
He is probably one of the worst gods altogether right now. Only really useful for split pushing (which Apollo can do, but he is more useful than Loki in fights), and pub-stomping at lower levels. Not counting certain MOTDs of course.

He just needs a rework at this point. The decoy is his best clear, but he can't use it in Jungle. His solo potential is basically drop decoy and leave lane/sit under tower depending on if it cleared wave or not.

He does have some CC, a Slow and a Stun (1 and ultimate), but neither are good for setting up his own kills, and likely not worth using them for someone else to kill the target either as they'll likely be dead.

The decoy should probably be changed in some way. It just feels out of place, with not real synergy with his kit. Levelling it for clear stops you being able to gank in the Jungle role, and reduces your ability to fight in Solo (not that he's likely to fight any current solo laners anyway).

The ultimate is fine. The invisibility probably needs to conform with the other invisible abilities (revealed on damage taken) to be less confusing (though it's not difficult to counter for lots of team comps). The 3 and 1 are ok as self buffs with the ultimate and general Jungler playstyle.
Maybe have the 1 be a toggle that drains mana whilst moving/in-use like Xbal 1?
Taweret Jun 24, 2019 @ 7:20am 
i didnt even know he has slow, because i always tried to use aimed strike between his auto attacks for max damage. i read once what experts who play only loki say and they said they dont even use his ult for combat only for escaping lol.
SpinningRat360 Jun 24, 2019 @ 7:32am 
seems like you dont even know what you are talking about, a slow and a stun is cc

his decoy can tank towers and block attacks and bodyblock, and certain abilities

his passive is not a crit

plus bellona and thor are the mascots of smite, loki is just a meme

Last edited by SpinningRat360; Jun 24, 2019 @ 7:35am
Taweret Jun 24, 2019 @ 8:28am 
no i didnt even know he has slow because its so tiny that makes no difference so w/e
hes now all about his ult, if he miss it, hes useless, and even if he uses his ult properly there are so many way to counter it that experts advise to use his ult as escape instead of initiation tool.
the rework can be good both for people who play him or want to play him but wont because hes underwhelming, but first must be discussed with people who main him and have highest rank, so they wont get disappointed, with new playstyle and can guide devs what they expect from his rework.
Last edited by Taweret; Jun 24, 2019 @ 8:47am
Chad Thundercock Jun 24, 2019 @ 9:57am 
Hate to say it but hes far from the worst
RecalledDread Jun 24, 2019 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:
Hate to say it but hes far from the worst

In what mode?
And justification? He doesn't really provide anything to the team, in a team game. At least, not at higher levels.
Last edited by RecalledDread; Jun 24, 2019 @ 9:59am
Chad Thundercock Jun 24, 2019 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by RecalledDread:
Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:
Hate to say it but hes far from the worst

In what mode?
And justification? He doesn't really provide anything to the team, in a team game. At least, not at higher levels.
I play any mode but conquest.
Stranger Jun 24, 2019 @ 10:54am 
He's a pub stomper. Let's not buff him. A rework yea I can agree on.
Taweret Jun 24, 2019 @ 2:01pm 
i think picking loki as solo laner is only viable if they have some squishy solo lane mage that is usually not played in this role.
as jungler there are much better choices and any agressive warrior or tanky mage such zhong, brings much more value as solo laner than loki.
in clash he can be pretty good though because there are only two lanes so he can easily dual soak them and steal camps, generally small map so you can easily setup ambush to finish off backline.
there is my build for clash: trans, hydra, warrior tabi, crusher, wind demon, deathbringer, later buy speed potion sell boots and buy qin sais/bloodforge/titansbane. but is pretty much fun mode in competitive loki is useless.
Last edited by Taweret; Jun 24, 2019 @ 2:03pm
HelhiganM Jun 24, 2019 @ 5:09pm 
Hes pretty annoying if hes not being raped... thats why you only saw him in solo
Charlie Brown Jun 25, 2019 @ 3:14am 
I think Loki is probably the worst god. I can't think of a single god who's worse. A single one. Not even one.
RecalledDread Jun 25, 2019 @ 4:36am 
Originally posted by Ilir Alushi:
I think Loki is probably the worst god. I can't think of a single god who's worse. A single one. Not even one.

Odin is a good contender.
Tanky yes, annoying to kill because of his shield.

But, no damage, easy to escape from his ultimate, and his tankiness goes down when he uses his combo (which includes his escape too), and that's his only real source of damage.

Loki at least has split pushing potential, and can take out a squishy on his own (either force them out, or outright kill them).
Last edited by RecalledDread; Jun 25, 2019 @ 4:37am
Charlie Brown Jun 25, 2019 @ 4:42am 
Originally posted by RecalledDread:
Originally posted by Ilir Alushi:
I think Loki is probably the worst god. I can't think of a single god who's worse. A single one. Not even one.

Odin is a good contender.
Tanky yes, annoying to kill because of his shield.

But, no damage, easy to escape from his ultimate, and his tankiness goes down when he uses his combo (which includes his escape too), and that's his only real source of damage.

Loki at least has split pushing potential, and can take out a squishy on his own (either force them out, or outright kill them).
Odin at least is ''''''''''''''good''''''''''' in Joust.
Morgenstern Jun 25, 2019 @ 4:47am 
Loki is the worst god? this is a joke right? I can name 30 gods worse than Loki
Caesar Jun 25, 2019 @ 5:58am 
Originally posted by Ojama King:
He was based on LoL shaco but he does everything worse than his counterpart
First of all;
Loki is based on Loki, the Norse god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
Originally posted by Ojama King:
i will try compare assassins and their abilities from other mobas to Loki to prove that they do everything better:
You can't & shouldn't (& why would you in the first place, makes no sense) compare this game (& his gods) to any other game. Smite is Smite. LoL is LoL. And so on. They may share the same genre, but the overall mechanics & gameplay is way different.
Originally posted by Ojama King:
so stop promoting loki as an icon in every smite cinematic, because someone who jump into smite can be only disappointed by him.
He may not be the strongest god right now, but he's still awesome lore/character-wise.

Apart from that;
There are MUCH worse gods than Loki.
This thread doesn't make any sense, to me.
Sorry.
Last edited by Caesar; Jun 25, 2019 @ 6:06am
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