Chaac viability

[SD97]

So I really like Chaac(next to Osiris :p) because I like whacking people with a giant lightning axe and I feel his kit is really good with all the slows and silences and knock ups. Is he good now after this patch(I have no idea if Chaac has been changed in the recent patches or not). I know that he is not viable late game. Can you guys suggest me a way to make him viable if that is at all possible? Also please include a good build for him.

[cplcrayons]

In high level play Chaac is considered quite bad, below way too many other solos to be considered really viable. But in lower level play since he can control the lane so easily you can end up doing quite well with him by just starving the other solo out and getting ahead, just don't expect that to carry into higher levels that you may reach.

[SD97]

Ah OK. Very disappointing. Hi rez please do something to make him at least viable. That'll be fine with me, I don't want an op Chaac or anything like that. I don't really care about op gods, in fact I have never played with Bellona. I will much rather pick a lower tier god like sun wukong and try to outplay a Bellona.

[Anonn 20 16]

well i wouldn't call chaac bad in any way. his ulti is amazing in late game and the slow he can provide is valuable for chasing or escaping. it's just people forget that you are ment to be annoying and not tank their whole team. what chaac is good at is early and mid game. farm, poke them out and starve the enemy solo with safely since he can just get out if things get bad and then once you have farmed some you can start rotating and help the other lanes. you don't need to dominate late, you only need to help your team do it.

[SD97]

Originally posted by RoofCat:

there is no point to. There are different tactics and different gods in Smite. Some are scary early on (Thanatos), some need time to shine (Amaterasu). There is a lot of them and Chaac is rather fine the way he is. You can't have god which would dominate everybody with his sustain from the very start till the end.

I don't want to find a god who will dominate everyone from early to late game- that would be boring af. I just got the idea from the earlier comments that Chaac was totally unviable. I guess I want a backup plan if the game does progress into late game.

[Daketey]

Chaac is totally viable..just the matter is how u use him .. his early damage is insane so try to get a lead early on but later in game ..u wont be dealing as much damage but his kit has really great cc which can help your team .. like u can engage with his ult and use 1 ad 3 combo to slow them down.. u can poke them with 1 and 2 combo and he also has really good sustain with his 3

For build I cant really tell since it depends upon the match so u gotta experiement with that yourself.. build the pen items and mostly defensive items

[SD97]

I am bringing this up again but I honestly don't understand why Chaac falls off late game. He has some darn good scalings IMO. His main clear 1 has a 320(+60%) and his ultimate has a 120% scaling. Compared to him, Bellona has scalings like 50,40 etc. I am not talking about her 2 since it is a multi hit ability. But she is very strong late game.
So honestly can't understand why Chaac deals so little damage late game.

[SD97]

Ok maybe shouldn't make comparisons with Bellona since I have never played her. But even sun wukong has 60% scaling with his main clear 1, 65% with his 2. The only ability where he has greater scaling is only his 3 which is a whopping 80%. So why is he so much better than Chaac late game?

[RecalledDread]

They perform differently because their kit works differently.

Chaac relies on comboing his 1 with his other 3 abilities well, and has great sustain. He is good for staying in lane, giving you a chance to take XP and gold away from the enemy solo by forcing them out (preferably with your jungles help).

Bellona is very AA based, using her abilities to chase (ult), or switch weapons. She also has great clear, probably does so earlier than Chaac can. I don't think CHaac is as tanky though, I'd have to check the stats in game.

Chaac, imo, is a fairly balanced example of a warrior. But with characters that do the solo lane job better, there isn't really a place for Chaac. It doesn't make him unviable, just not as good as some of the others. In the right hands you can make anything work, though it might be more difficult in some cases.

[SD97]

No my question was why does Chaac fall off late game despite having good scalings? At least it appears to me he has good scalings

[ArcLight]

In arena if you have fun, I wouldn't use him competeviley though.

[Apocal_Failed]

Originally posted by ObsidianKnight666:

No my question was why does Chaac fall off late game despite having good scalings? At least it appears to me he has good scalings

60 percent on his 2 non-ultimate offensive abilities is, in theory, not much of a problem if Chaac was auto-attack based. But he is ability based, so his biggest strength is his high base dmg and sustain. Thanatos has a smiliar problem, but his ult is much more valuable: all it needs is a tank which overextends a bit, and then he dunks him.

Osiris, however, has poor scaling on his 1, and 75 percent on his 2. He is auto-attack based, so his strength is to get close and start slapping the **** out of you while being able to ignore half of your DPS. In other words, he does not need to rely on his abilities to use his main source of dmg (althrough you can poke very well with his 2 for example).

[Daketey]

Originally posted by ObsidianKnight666:

No my question was why does Chaac fall off late game despite having good scalings? At least it appears to me he has good scalings

chaac's main source of damage is ablities and abilities dont hit as hard late game.. since late game their base hp and protections will increase making it harder to kill them with abilities ... Your basics will still hit hard but the abilities wont hit as hard..

https://www.scribd.com/doc/166529015/The-Word-of-Thoth-A-Smite-Mechanics-Guide

give this a read and u will understand everything

[SD97]

Originally posted by Apocal_Failed:

Originally posted by ObsidianKnight666:

No my question was why does Chaac fall off late game despite having good scalings? At least it appears to me he has good scalings

60 percent on his 2 non-ultimate offensive abilities is, in theory, not much of a problem if Chaac was auto-attack based. But he is ability based, so his biggest strength is his high base dmg and sustain. Thanatos has a smiliar problem, but his ult is much more valuable: all it needs is a tank which overextends a bit, and then he dunks him.

Osiris, however, has poor scaling on his 1, and 75 percent on his 2. He is auto-attack based, so his strength is to get close and start slapping the **** out of you while being able to ignore half of your DPS. In other words, he does not need to rely on his abilities to use his main source of dmg (althrough you can poke very well with his 2 for example).

So you are saying that he has a good scaling on his ABILITIES so that means he will just hit hard with his abilities late game isn't it?

[SD97]

Originally posted by Daketey:

Originally posted by ObsidianKnight666:

No my question was why does Chaac fall off late game despite having good scalings? At least it appears to me he has good scalings

chaac's main source of damage is ablities and abilities dont hit as hard late game.. since late game their base hp and protections will increase making it harder to kill them with abilities ... Your basics will still hit hard but the abilities wont hit as hard..

https://www.scribd.com/doc/166529015/The-Word-of-Thoth-A-Smite-Mechanics-Guide

give this a read and u will understand everything

This may make more sense that abilities don't hit hard late game but then again mages can beat the living crap out of you late game with their abilities.
Just can't seem to get this logic :(

[Apocal_Failed]

Originally posted by ObsidianKnight666:

Originally posted by Daketey:

chaac's main source of damage is ablities and abilities dont hit as hard late game.. since late game their base hp and protections will increase making it harder to kill them with abilities ... Your basics will still hit hard but the abilities wont hit as hard..

https://www.scribd.com/doc/166529015/The-Word-of-Thoth-A-Smite-Mechanics-Guide

give this a read and u will understand everything

This may make more sense that abilities don't hit hard late game but then again mages can beat the living crap out of you late game with their abilities.

Mages have higher scaling, and usually go glass cannon or only 1 defense item.