is Hel really bad currently?

[Daketey]

Like her clear is better now she can give tick healing and her 1 still does good amount of heal plus she has insane damage she feel a lot more reliable now than before .. and above all shes fun to play now

[Al1X1RO]

She´s better than before, dont trust others.

[Anal ♥♥♥♥]

Back then when I played her, she was both fun and awkward as ♥♥♥♥ at the same time. She's a literal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as far as some mechanisms go - you either have to give up sustain (3) for safety (1) or vice versa. Rod of Asclepius is also incredibly awkward seeing as the times where you could achieve the most out of this item (fights) are teamfights, in which case, you either heal 1 person (assuming you even hit them in the craze, lul) or you heal everyone with crappy ticks that they won't even notice over the movement speed boost. And then you're stuck with much needed protections in the Light Stance, so if you go there, you won't get to deal your damage and if you change stances to deal damage with your 2 skills (one of which forces you to get closer), you don't have protections.

Is she strong? yes. So what's the problem?

Well, I believe the problem here lies in the fact that Conquest is now all about early-game pressure. Mages like Zeus, Poseidon and Thoth can keep her in check, so she's pretty much stuck here healing, which is arguably better. I personally believe she will be another Kali case when people freak out about it and see how she's FOTM, yet no nerfs will be necessary because people finally realize how to counter her, so you're better off using her in Joust where she can be overpowered since you won't have to deal with too many people. In the worst case scenario, she will see play when the game goes back to a late-game focus, until then, she'll be underrated.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Huntards are even more ridiculous than before and some can keep chase/kite Hel if they wish. Shield of Regrowth saw a nerf, but it's not that bad and not only does this item give you a huge MS boost (you will notice it and manage to escape, since you have a KKK 2), but Sands of Time also got buffed to compensate (which is INCREDIBLY MORONIC if you ask me because it's now an all-time blue buff for 800 gold).

[Nachitoa]

He is not op but balance

[Daketey]

Originally posted by TheoHel:

Well, I believe the problem here lies in the fact that Conquest is now all about early-game pressure. Mages like Zeus, Poseidon and Thoth can keep her in check, so she's pretty much stuck here healing, which is arguably better. I personally believe she will be another Kali case when people freak out about it and see how she's FOTM, yet no nerfs will be necessary because people finally realize how to counter her, so you're better off using her in Joust where she can be overpowered since you won't have to deal with too many people. In the worst case scenario, she will see play when the game goes back to a late-game focus, until then, she'll be underrated.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Huntards are even more ridiculous than before and some can keep chase/kite Hel if they wish. Shield of Regrowth saw a nerf, but it's not that bad and not only does this item give you a huge MS boost (you will notice it and manage to escape, since you have a KKK 2), but Sands of Time also got buffed to compensate (which is INCREDIBLY MORONIC if you ask me because it's now an all-time blue buff for 800 gold).

I found her to actaully shine mid game and early game meta hurts her a lot because u cant burst them down with a aoe damage ult or a line ability that will reduce them from full hp to 0..

She might be the perfect example of what a mage should be like not like the gods who can just press4 and get a penta she actually requires u to learn mechanics and practice to play

I dont think people will suddenly start playing her abd she will become the meta god who everyone plays because people never play hard gods they will still be playing zeus or some ♥♥♥♥ as they dont require you to think what you are doing you jus need to press whatever you want and boom there is your kill

I dont want hirez to buff her any further as shes completely balanced in current stage and really really fun to play as you can try various build with her and she has various combos and the team support she brings is incredible

But being a god that heavily relies on mechanics makes her a bad god in people opinion like people think ullr is bad because they cant play him and used to be same with tyr but they buffed him crazy and now hes stupidly powerful.

[Anal ♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by Fistcharger:

Originally posted by TheoHel:

Well, I believe the problem here lies in the fact that Conquest is now all about early-game pressure. Mages like Zeus, Poseidon and Thoth can keep her in check, so she's pretty much stuck here healing, which is arguably better. I personally believe she will be another Kali case when people freak out about it and see how she's FOTM, yet no nerfs will be necessary because people finally realize how to counter her, so you're better off using her in Joust where she can be overpowered since you won't have to deal with too many people. In the worst case scenario, she will see play when the game goes back to a late-game focus, until then, she'll be underrated.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Huntards are even more ridiculous than before and some can keep chase/kite Hel if they wish. Shield of Regrowth saw a nerf, but it's not that bad and not only does this item give you a huge MS boost (you will notice it and manage to escape, since you have a KKK 2), but Sands of Time also got buffed to compensate (which is INCREDIBLY MORONIC if you ask me because it's now an all-time blue buff for 800 gold).

I found her to actaully shine mid game and early game meta hurts her a lot because u cant burst them down with a aoe damage ult or a line ability that will reduce them from full hp to 0..

She might be the perfect example of what a mage should be like not like the gods who can just press4 and get a penta she actually requires u to learn mechanics and practice to play

I dont think people will suddenly start playing her abd she will become the meta god who everyone plays because people never play hard gods they will still be playing zeus or some ♥♥♥♥ as they dont require you to think what you are doing you jus need to press whatever you want and boom there is your kill

I dont want hirez to buff her any further as shes completely balanced in current stage and really really fun to play as you can try various build with her and she has various combos and the team support she brings is incredible

But being a god that heavily relies on mechanics makes her a bad god in people opinion like people think ullr is bad because they cant play him and used to be same with tyr but they buffed him crazy and now hes stupidly powerful.

You've got the idea. I agree with every single thing that you said here.

[Daketey]

Originally posted by RoofCatA:

Hel is fun. Many people playing her in casual are not. She needs some time to get used to "7" keys. Probably a bit easier than Ullr or Tyr, but in general the same mess. She has dispel, heal, speed boost, decent area damage... quite a lot of things in one package.

I'm not too much into mages. Mastered her week ago just to have all gods mastered eventually.

I had funny results buidling her with power items that also add health. Warlocks sash, Etheral staff, Book of the dead and so on. It's rather expensive build and smart players would counter it with Qin's sais (flat health % damage). But when she has up to 3500HP in the end (15% shield) and runs around with +40% speed healing herself all the time as well and dispeling all CC, it's quite a performance.
Assassins can neither kill her nor keep the pace as long. Her evil 3 removes half of their health even running away and those whole 6 abilities with enough sustain to reload them before you die... it's just badass against arena folks.

Being a ullr main I ve got the hang of fingering now u kno gotta love fingering..I love how loki gets shrekt when he ults me feels so satisfying

[Daketey]

Originally posted by RoofCatA:

it may hurt somebody...

... THAT'S THE POINT!

© Hel

Moreover she has the best voicepack ingame