200 hours later and I still think this game's trash.

[Singularity's Marauder]

DISCLAIMER: I am sorry for writing this. I was extremely tired, angry and burned out on Fallout 2. I do respect this game and do not wish to offend anyone. I am only leaving this here for historical reasons. Any forms of critcism is usually allowed and I just did my own type of thing. I'm sorry for trying to be rude, but listen. If you do not want to get angry a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, then don't read this. It's fine. I have no grave issue with Fallout 2. It's not as bad, as I'm about to say. SORRY.
I'M SORRY FOR WRITING THIS.

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Fallout 1 - Very Good
Fallout 3 - Kinda Good
Fallout: New Vegas - Very Good
Fallout 2 - ♥♥♥♥ you

American citizens devolved into Native Americans. Because the idiot devs think Native Americans were just idiots and all you have to do to receive Native Americans is cut off people from civilization. It completely ignores the fact that Native Americans probably had a rich 1k year long culture of bringing information from generation to generation. This game is instead going for the racist explanation that Native Americans are just the result of "no civilization, no brain, pee poo, I'm a fallout dev, I have the IQ of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rat".
The combat mechanics in this game can be divided into two sections, get the most broken possible equipment and perks, and abuse substances to gain massive advantages over your enemies. There is no tactical edge to it, just mindless reading of wiki pages, guides and instructions made by other users and going for the meta builds and items. This game is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken balance-wise, that I'm surpised people have not bashed it further for being a braindead slop that can only be gotten through if you are listening to a very enteraining podcast. Not everything said though, the worst part is that engagements instead of being cozy 1 or 3 vs 7 like in Fallout 1 are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ abysmal gigantic fights with 5 vs 9 that take ages before all the enemies take their turns, unless you turn on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cocaine mod of fastest combat speed which I guess reduces the engagements by 50%. But they are still engagements that instead of feeling personal feel like giant power creep to what the original was, however without any of the nuisance of using chokepoints to your advantage.
Fallout 2 story is good, but a lot of locations seem to be built on McGuffins rather than actual logic. Junktown was just a town that had minimal trade and small population. Shady Sands was a big complex of farms. The Hub was a large population centre that maintained the people it did, because it had farms, buildings, etc. In Fallout 2 instead of there being logical settlements there are MAGICAL SETTLEMENTS. Vault City survives because it used nonsensical technology called GECK which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb McGuffin that can turn ash to diamonds or whatever. San Francisco was built on fart gas, because Chineese Submarine pilots had a computer that was of IQ big enough to freaking... Subvert the Rick and Morty IQ meme... WHO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CARES. And NCR just suddenly explodes into a giant population centre, because the devs felt like it. ETC. ETC. ETC.
The first several hours of this game are a complete shlock that has to be explored linerarly. And the only argument I have heard about this not being the case is people explaining to me that "you don't have to do everything that way, you can always come there and then skip this part, and then come back later". THIS IS THE PROBLEM. I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK LATER. I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AT ALL. BUT NO, I HAVE TO GRIND EVERY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LOCATION AND QUEST, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF THE GAME BECOMING COZY AT LEVEL 5 LIKE FALLOUT 1 DID, IT FORCES YOU TO GO UP TO 15, BECAUSE PERKS ARE KEY TO BECOMING STRONG AND THEY ARE A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ATTROCITY TO GET.
The game feels like a complete rushing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It shows so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much that this game was made in a year, in that so many assets were reused in such an incompetent and baffling way. Where as in Fallout 1 so many locations felt unique, in Fallout 2 every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ place feels the same. I can't stand how I keep forgetting the name of Klamath, Den, Gecko and... What was that last place? Modock? Because all of these locations look so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bland that it's easier to forget them then like... I don't know. Something very easy to forget which I had already forgotten. If they had spent more time to create more original assets, they would be able to flesh out locations more and perhaps create more visually pleasing locations like San Francisco and Vault City, rather than vomit that the Den is.
And I know that this is a post-apocalyptic game and things are supposed to look like ♥♥♥♥. But that's not the kind of ♥♥♥♥ we are talking about here. Instead of having creatively explained ♥♥♥♥ like in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or other Fallout games, we have just lazy ♥♥♥♥ that is caused by the devs incompetence and rushed development.

I think I have said everything I wanted to say, for now.

[i give hatch]

no

[Singularity's Marauder]

Originally posted by cute femboy uwu:

no

You're so funny Fallout 2 fan. I'm glad that the Earth is inhabitated by such highly-evolved creatures like you. Why won't you solve the essence of life or something? Or perhaps drink another Pepsi.

[B00tyBandit]

All the censored words make it slightly more challenging to read. It's fun trying to guess the potty word hehehe.

[=CrimsoN=]

"Yup, that's one big chip on yer shoulder. Why don't you come back when that chip isn't quite so big? You have a nice day, and watch out for that door on yer way out" - Jo (Modoc's mayor)

[Vex Hilarius]

tl;dr but judging from the hearts you ended up really loving this game. Happy for you man!

[NightmareGats]

Gaymers nowadays

[qveen of avtism and drvg abvse]

pft okay

[Singularity's Marauder]

I think this game gave me a mental breakdown. Note to self. Don't force yourself to play games you feel burned out on. Sorry everyone.

[BlazeD]

Most people stop doing stuff they hate asap. But not you. Brilliant.

[psychotron666]

They're not based off native Americans at all. Just because they are tribal does not mean they are native Americans

[Singularity's Marauder]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

They're not based off native Americans at all. Just because they are tribal does not mean they are native Americans

Yeah... I was thinking about this when showering and I came to a conclusion that they are not Native Americans, but they are just random tribes... My bad.

[=CrimsoN=]

Originally posted by Randomized Randomizer:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

They're not based off native Americans at all. Just because they are tribal does not mean they are native Americans

Yeah... I was thinking about this when showering and I came to a conclusion that they are not Native Americans, but they are just random tribes... My bad.

Yeah in fact, the Fallout wiki describes tribals from various games as "characterized by the absence of formal government, a distinct cultural identity, and self-sufficiency".

Nothing at all to do with Native American cultures. Most tribes in Fallout are just the descendants of groups of survivors that have degenerated (not in the negative sense) into primitive societies. Having been isolated by the rest of the "civilized" world. Civilized being used very loosely.

[Cardan]

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Originally posted by Randomized Randomizer:

Yeah... I was thinking about this when showering and I came to a conclusion that they are not Native Americans, but they are just random tribes... My bad.

Yeah in fact, the Fallout wiki describes tribals from various games as "characterized by the absence of formal government, a distinct cultural identity, and self-sufficiency".

Nothing at all to do with Native American cultures. Most tribes in Fallout are just the descendants of groups of survivors that have degenerated (not in the negative sense) into primitive societies. Having been isolated by the rest of the "civilized" world. Civilized being used very loosely.

in all honesty the native americans had the right idea though. humanity and earth would be much better off if we did things their way, I would sacrifice technology for it.

[Singularity's Marauder]

Originally posted by Cardan:

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Yeah in fact, the Fallout wiki describes tribals from various games as "characterized by the absence of formal government, a distinct cultural identity, and self-sufficiency".

Nothing at all to do with Native American cultures. Most tribes in Fallout are just the descendants of groups of survivors that have degenerated (not in the negative sense) into primitive societies. Having been isolated by the rest of the "civilized" world. Civilized being used very loosely.

in all honesty the native americans had the right idea though. humanity and earth would be much better off if we did things their way, I would sacrifice technology for it.

The problem with this thinking is that once you self-restrict you are going to become vulnerable to those who didn't self-restrict. And you will need protection from the so called sinners to survive.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Cardan:

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Yeah in fact, the Fallout wiki describes tribals from various games as "characterized by the absence of formal government, a distinct cultural identity, and self-sufficiency".

Nothing at all to do with Native American cultures. Most tribes in Fallout are just the descendants of groups of survivors that have degenerated (not in the negative sense) into primitive societies. Having been isolated by the rest of the "civilized" world. Civilized being used very loosely.

in all honesty the native americans had the right idea though. humanity and earth would be much better off if we did things their way, I would sacrifice technology for it.

What did they do that was any different than tribes or even civilization anywhere else?

A bunch of them were at constant war with eachother over territory and even slaves, some tribes ran entire herds of Buffalo off of cliffs to feed a tribe of a couple hundred with no refrigeration, wheel or animal big enough to haul anything to the point that there are still piles of bones in these buffalo jumps today several hundred years later.


The only things natives really did differently than most other civilizations was stay stagnant and not able to sustain large populations - very similar to many of the small tribes that still barely exist in other parts of the world. They did have guerrilla warfare though, but so did many other tribes across the earth.
They even had the advantage of one of the most resourceful continents on the planet, and never figured out how to do metal working or domesticate animals besides dogs (and probably their lack of big domesticated animals is why they never invented a wheel, and thus a pulley or other staple inventions that are needed for industrialization).

The only reason they weren't as hard on the environment as others is because they couldn't sustain large populations. And just the Buffalo jumps alone show they weren't environmentalist who knew anything about nature sustainability, and that they'd have polluted and whatnot the same as the rest of the world if they figured out the technology. And their largely warlike ways were no different than anywhere else in the world