big guns

[Fallout]

is big guns good againts unclave?

[TonZa]

*Enclave

Bozar and Vindicator minigun shred right through their armour so I would have to say yes, personally I like gauss weapons better.

Vindicator Minigun in action against endboss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbirYHgFifY

[The Chosen Chad]

Yeah its pretty good, but ammo are rare.

I prefer the Gatling Laser, much better damage per bullet and guaranted crits with the right build.

[Morior Invictus]

It's been mentioned already but the Bozar and Vindicator are best versus Enclave as their Power Armour has the weakest resistance to Normal damage. Vindicator is best by far but the ammo for it is alot rarer and 3 times as expensive as ammo for the Bozar.

This build becomes alot better with the Sniper perk at level 24. This perk applies to all ranged weapons, but requires a high Perception and Agility, and a Small Guns Skill of at least 80% to qualify. Once you have the Sniper perk it relies on your Luck stat for increased crit chance (Luck x 10%).

[Fallout]

can you guys give the example of what build and perk please?

[The Chosen Chad]

Originally posted by Übermensch:

It's been mentioned already but the Bozar and Vindicator are best versus Enclave as their Power Armour has the weakest resistance to Normal damage. Vindicator is best by far but the ammo for it is alot rarer and 3 times as expensive as ammo for the Bozar.

This build becomes alot better with the Sniper perk at level 24. This perk applies to all ranged weapons, but requires a high Perception and Agility, and a Small Guns Skill of at least 80% to qualify. Once you have the Sniper perk it relies on your Luck stat for increased crit chance (Luck x 10%).

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.

Originally posted by Fallout:

can you guys give the example of what build and perk please?

Sure bro, for a first time I recommend :

S : 6 (for weilding big guns and + 4 from Advanced Power Armor)
P : 6 (when level 18, use a mentat)
E : 6
C : 2 (use sunglasses and some mentats for followers)
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 10
L : 8 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Small Gun, Lockpick, Speech

Lvl 3 : Awarness (113% Small Gun)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Range Damage (121% Small Gun, 100% Lockpick, 73% Speech)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Speech, 32% Doctor)
Lvl 12 : Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 36% Big Guns)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (90% Big Guns)
Lvl 18 : Action Points (120% Big Guns)
Lvl 21 : Action Points (make your points anywhere you want)
Lvl 24 : Sniper (use mentats for that perk)
Lvl 27 : Bonus Range Damage

Guns : 10mm Pistol -> 10 mm Sub-Machinegun -> P90 H&K -> Bozar

Once you get to level 18, either keep the P90 (get two in both of your slots) or get an avenger minigun. They are hella powerful in Burst mode. Always charge your ennemies, go in Burst mode for maximum damage.

For players who knows what to do and that have the restauration project :

S : 5 (+1 Implants + 4 Power Armor)
P : 6
E : 8
C : 2
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 9 (+1 Serum at EPA)
L 9 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Big Guns, Steal, Gambling

Lvl 3 : Quick Pockets (100% Gambling, 65% Steal)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Ranged Damaged (101% Big Guns, 101% Steal)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Big Guns, 46% Doctor)
Lvl 12 :Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 74% Small Gun)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (80% Small Gun, at that point I just dump my points wherever I like)
Lvl 18 : Action Points
Lvl 21 : Action Points
Lvl 24 : Sniper
Lvl 27 : Bonus Ranged Damage

Just do some non violent quest, get infinite money thanks to gambling, go to New reno and become a Made Men at the Salvadores get a minigun or just get a electronic lockpics from Alderon basement and go to the Toxic cave get the Bozar and the Combat Armor mk 2. Genocide Klamath for some Xp, kill bounty hunters for even more xp and get strong.

Edit : You need a minigun or a Rocket Launcher against that robot in the toxic cave tho

[Fallout]

Originally posted by John Cassidy Joestar:

Originally posted by Übermensch:

It's been mentioned already but the Bozar and Vindicator are best versus Enclave as their Power Armour has the weakest resistance to Normal damage. Vindicator is best by far but the ammo for it is alot rarer and 3 times as expensive as ammo for the Bozar.

This build becomes alot better with the Sniper perk at level 24. This perk applies to all ranged weapons, but requires a high Perception and Agility, and a Small Guns Skill of at least 80% to qualify. Once you have the Sniper perk it relies on your Luck stat for increased crit chance (Luck x 10%).

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.

Originally posted by Fallout:

can you guys give the example of what build and perk please?

Sure bro, for a first time I recommend :

S : 6 (for weilding big guns and + 4 from Advanced Power Armor)
P : 6 (when level 18, use a mentat)
E : 6
C : 2 (use sunglasses and some mentats for followers)
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 10
L : 8 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Small Gun, Lockpick, Speech

Lvl 3 : Awarness (113% Small Gun)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Range Damage (121% Small Gun, 100% Lockpick, 73% Speech)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Speech, 32% Doctor)
Lvl 12 : Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 36% Big Guns)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (90% Big Guns)
Lvl 18 : Action Points (120% Big Guns)
Lvl 21 : Action Points (make your points anywhere you want)
Lvl 24 : Sniper (use mentats for that perk)
Lvl 27 : Bonus Range Damage

Guns : 10mm Pistol -> 10 mm Sub-Machinegun -> P90 H&K -> Bozar

Once you get to level 18, either keep the P90 (get two in both of your slots) or get an avenger minigun. They are hella powerful in Burst mode. Always charge your ennemies, go in Burst mode for maximum damage.

For players who knows what to do and that have the restauration project :

S : 5 (+1 Implants + 4 Power Armor)
P : 6
E : 8
C : 2
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 9 (+1 Serum at EPA)
L 9 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Big Guns, Steal, Gambling

Lvl 3 : Quick Pockets (100% Gambling, 65% Steal)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Ranged Damaged (101% Big Guns, 101% Steal)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Big Guns, 46% Doctor)
Lvl 12 :Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 74% Small Gun)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (80% Small Gun, at that point I just dump my points wherever I like)
Lvl 18 : Action Points
Lvl 21 : Action Points
Lvl 24 : Sniper
Lvl 27 : Bonus Ranged Damage

Just do some non violent quest, get infinite money thanks to gambling, go to New reno and become a Made Men at the Salvadores get a minigun or just get a electronic lockpics from Alderon basement and go to the Toxic cave get the Bozar and the Combat Armor mk 2. Genocide Klamath for some Xp, kill bounty hunters for even more xp and get strong.

Edit : You need a minigun or a Rocket Launcher against that robot in the toxic cave tho

thank you

[The Chosen Chad]

Originally posted by Fallout:

Originally posted by John Cassidy Joestar:

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.



Sure bro, for a first time I recommend :

S : 6 (for weilding big guns and + 4 from Advanced Power Armor)
P : 6 (when level 18, use a mentat)
E : 6
C : 2 (use sunglasses and some mentats for followers)
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 10
L : 8 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Small Gun, Lockpick, Speech

Lvl 3 : Awarness (113% Small Gun)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Range Damage (121% Small Gun, 100% Lockpick, 73% Speech)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Speech, 32% Doctor)
Lvl 12 : Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 36% Big Guns)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (90% Big Guns)
Lvl 18 : Action Points (120% Big Guns)
Lvl 21 : Action Points (make your points anywhere you want)
Lvl 24 : Sniper (use mentats for that perk)
Lvl 27 : Bonus Range Damage

Guns : 10mm Pistol -> 10 mm Sub-Machinegun -> P90 H&K -> Bozar

Once you get to level 18, either keep the P90 (get two in both of your slots) or get an avenger minigun. They are hella powerful in Burst mode. Always charge your ennemies, go in Burst mode for maximum damage.

For players who knows what to do and that have the restauration project :

S : 5 (+1 Implants + 4 Power Armor)
P : 6
E : 8
C : 2
I : 9 (+1 Implant)
A : 9 (+1 Serum at EPA)
L 9 (+2 from the Hubologist at NCR)

Traits : Gifted and Fast Shot
Tag : Big Guns, Steal, Gambling

Lvl 3 : Quick Pockets (100% Gambling, 65% Steal)
Lvl 6 : Bonus Ranged Damaged (101% Big Guns, 101% Steal)
Lvl 9 : Better Criticals (121% Big Guns, 46% Doctor)
Lvl 12 :Living Anatomy (60% Doctor, 74% Small Gun)
Lvl 15 : Bonus Rate of Fire (80% Small Gun, at that point I just dump my points wherever I like)
Lvl 18 : Action Points
Lvl 21 : Action Points
Lvl 24 : Sniper
Lvl 27 : Bonus Ranged Damage

Just do some non violent quest, get infinite money thanks to gambling, go to New reno and become a Made Men at the Salvadores get a minigun or just get a electronic lockpics from Alderon basement and go to the Toxic cave get the Bozar and the Combat Armor mk 2. Genocide Klamath for some Xp, kill bounty hunters for even more xp and get strong.

Edit : You need a minigun or a Rocket Launcher against that robot in the toxic cave tho

thank you

Quick note, choose your weapon of choice at level 24, before that stick to the Bozar and the H&K G11E

[Morior Invictus]

Originally posted by John Cassidy Joestar:

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.

In context of specifically Enclave soldiers in Avanced Power Armour The Vindicator is the best choice, the Gatling Laser being by far the worst in the context of examples used here. Crits only bypass 80% of DT and DR and then there are ammo modifiers to consider.

The Avenger with it's ammo modifier of +35% DR (+11% from reduced Armour DR for a total of +46%) that does still apply to crits, means it falls short of the Vindicator's ammo modifier of -10% DR (+11% reduced Armour DR for a total of 1% which when rounded down results in 0 damage reduction). There is also a -5% reduction to AC modifers to consider for The Vindicator also, giving individual bullets a greater chance to land and decreasing the min-max damage variance of each attack. Although I will concede that The Avenger is the vastly cheaper alternative of the two to fire.

It is also useful information for the original poster to know that any secondary targets hit by burst fire will not be affected by any crit modifiers. So if you're hoping to hose down a large group of enclave with a single attack the Avenger will be near useless.

[Damon]

FYI, Advanced Power Armor is almost at endgame but can be obtained at the beginning (check youtube). And gambling you need about 100% gambling and high luck to produce infinite money. You just need to hold either 1 to 5 depending on your gambling skill.

[Fallout]

Originally posted by Übermensch:

Originally posted by John Cassidy Joestar:

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.

In context of specifically Enclave soldiers in Avanced Power Armour The Vindicator is the best choice, the Gatling Laser being by far the worst in the context of examples used here. Crits only bypass 80% of DT and DR and then there are ammo modifiers to consider.

The Avenger with it's ammo modifier of +35% DR (+11% from reduced Armour DR for a total of +46%) that does still apply to crits, means it falls short of the Vindicator's ammo modifier of -10% DR (+11% reduced Armour DR for a total of 1% which when rounded down results in 0 damage reduction). There is also a -5% reduction to AC modifers to consider for The Vindicator also, giving individual bullets a greater chance to land and decreasing the min-max damage variance of each attack. Although I will concede that The Avenger is the vastly cheaper alternative of the two to fire.

It is also useful information for the original poster to know that any secondary targets hit by burst fire will not be affected by any crit modifiers. So if you're hoping to hose down a large group of enclave with a single attack the Avenger will be near useless.

ok how about rocket launcer?

[Johnny Casey]

Rocket Launcher is not a viable weapon. Takes way too much AP to attack(6+2 since you gotta reload after each shot), and the damage isn't really good either. Rockets are also extremely heavy to carry.

Big Guns with lots of burst fire is a way to go. They almost never miss, and are absolutely devastating with the critical hit.

[Morior Invictus]

Originally posted by Fallout:

ok how about rocket launcer?

If you can guarantee crits on your Rockets then both Explosive and Armour Piercing Rockets will function the same and on average will one-shot Enclave Soldiers, though the variance is high and it still may require a second crit shot to finish. For non-crit rockets versus Enclave you'll need on average 4 Armour Piercing Rockets to take down a group, assuming you're splashing every target with every rocket, but in the worst case each non-crit rocket will be doing very minimal damage. Also note that AP Rockets have a smaller blast radius than the Explosive variant.

This strategy versus Enclave is not viable unless exclusively combined with a crit build and is still very weight intensive even in the best case.

[Johnny Casey]

Originally posted by Übermensch:

Also note that AP Rockets have a smaller blast radius than the Explosive variant.

I believe all the rockets have the same blast radius.

[The Chosen Chad]

Originally posted by Übermensch:

Originally posted by John Cassidy Joestar:

Once you get to that point in your build, just take a High Fire Rate based Weapon such as a P90, a Gatling Laser Gun or Avenger Minigun. The crits are applied induvidualy to each bullet and crits bybass armor resistance and DT.

In context of specifically Enclave soldiers in Avanced Power Armour The Vindicator is the best choice, the Gatling Laser being by far the worst in the context of examples used here. Crits only bypass 80% of DT and DR and then there are ammo modifiers to consider.

The Avenger with it's ammo modifier of +35% DR (+11% from reduced Armour DR for a total of +46%) that does still apply to crits, means it falls short of the Vindicator's ammo modifier of -10% DR (+11% reduced Armour DR for a total of 1% which when rounded down results in 0 damage reduction). There is also a -5% reduction to AC modifers to consider for The Vindicator also, giving individual bullets a greater chance to land and decreasing the min-max damage variance of each attack. Although I will concede that The Avenger is the vastly cheaper alternative of the two to fire.

It is also useful information for the original poster to know that any secondary targets hit by burst fire will not be affected by any crit modifiers. So if you're hoping to hose down a large group of enclave with a single attack the Avenger will be near useless.

By the end of the game you have tons of cells for your Gatling Laser, just did some test with my build and a save editor with some Enclave Troopers. All dead and no damage taken.

Yes the Vindicator is really damn good, but the ammo is rare and expensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOIG5tVIlJ8&ab_channel=NerdCommandoGameStudios

Nerd Commando pretty much summed that the best way to enjoy the damage output is with high fire rate damage weapon.

[Salvation]

From my experience, the best weapon against enclave troops is BY FAR the pulse rifle. (There is a special model to be found in the little base of the brotherhood of steel in San Francisco.) Use targeted shots at the enemies' eyes, and you don't need any critical hit bonus. But also simple (not targeted) shots with a laser gun hurt them.
But see, the Fallout games give you many possibilities to play them. I prefer laser and small weapons but also keep big guns at a high level to be able to use the rocket launcher and heavy machine guns (which I found a lot more useful in FA 1) in the late game. Anyway, I tried all weapons I was carrying with me against those enclave guys.

I had no special critical hit bonus (I prefer upgrades that enhance my xp and ability points per level and give me more status, action and moving points), and I had small guns and laser guns at 200%, but big guns at above 100% too. However, the only weapon that could really hurt the enclave soldiers was the pulse rifle. Some of them I killed with one hit, most of them with 2 hits. But ANY other weapon just seemed to scratch their armours. The vindicator (which is a laser gun) was a joke. Only the rocket launcher was a good alternative in certain situations. So I'm not sure why many people here say that miniguns and such are better. High fire rate and critical hit bonus makes sense, yea. But I caused lots of critical hits with targeted pulse rifle shots, and non critical hit attacks with any weapon with high fire rate were totally useless against the enclave armours.

Generally, the eyes of all enemies are UNARMED. (Even thogh the look of the enclave armour makes you think that the faces are shielded). So when targeting the eyes, you can use any weapon you like, and laser guns cause the most damage when targeting.
There is also a good small pulse pistol you may use before you find a rifle. Its targeted shots take only 4 action points, so you can use it 3 times or even more per round when having the right upgrades.