Save Trish/Saul junktown quests

[HolderofSanity]

Im having a bit of trouble getting this quest to start. I read that you have to go to the bar at a certain time, talk to Neal, watch him blow away the first skull gang member, then kill the others before they kill Trish. Then, once you talk to Trish, you can ask about her boyfriend and start the next quest. The problem I am having is that, when I talk to Neal, Trish is struck, then Neal kills the first member, but the others just threaten him and proceed to leave peacefully. I can kill them before they go but this doesn't seem to change anything. And afterwards, even if i left them alive, i can ask Trish why she screamed for Saul and she says that he is her boyfriend and he is good to her, but she doesn't give any more info which would allow me to continue to the next quest. Also, i dont get any experience which i am supposedly supposed to get for saving Trish. I assume that this isn't a glitch because the Skuls have a specific response to Neal before leaving peacefully. However, i cant find any internet pages of guides which explain this alternate outcome. I would appreciate it if someone could let me know what i need to do to get the quest to work properly. Thanks in advance.

[HolderofSanity]

I found out that the reason the regular fight after Trish is struck does not take place is because a second scripted event, the threat and peaceful exit, which is part of the Bust the Skuls quest, overrides the original. Because of this, im now asking if there is any way to prevent the second event and allow the normal fight to proceed. If anyone has any information i'd appreciate being told. All i'm trying to do is complete both the Help Saul, and the Bust the Skuls quests. It seems like completing one prevents the other though, unless you choose the peaceful method of Bust the Skuls which would then prevent me from completing the quest for stealing/returning Neals urn. Im kind of at a loss and would love being able to complete all of them, if anyone knows how.

[DaralenManta]

I recommend saving before you try to get this as at least part of it may be based on chance.

I couldn't figure this out and it was driving me nuts too. I went to several sites and ended up on this walkthrough (I don't actually recommend watching that as the person playing insists on speaking each line of dialogue).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va5cmGVChk8
Anyway, in my case it turns out I just hadn't explored all the dialogue options. Here's what worked for me:

1. After witnessing the Skulz Ganger get blown away, ask Trish about why she called out for Saul.
2. Go talk to Saul and choose the following dialogue. (I've read elsewhere that you have to wait until the next morning, but I can't confirm that.)
3. "What do you do here?" or "My name's NAME. Just taking a look around." (doesn't seem to matter which).
4. "Hmm. What's the deal?" or "So, you been living in Junktown long?" (depending on what you chose above).
5. "How did you become a boxer?"
6. "What happened to your brothers?"
7. "Why do you stay in Junktown?" (I'm pretty sure this is where I was getting tripped up because I saw the dialogue about The Glow and I got distracted by the idea of getting The Glow on my map which it doesn't look like Saul can even give you.)
8. "Yes, I've met Trish."
9. Pick the long dialogue option which is also the first.

I hope this helps someone who may have ended up on this page looking for the same info.

[DaralenManta]

It also appears as though the long dialogue option I mentioned in step 9 doesn't always appear. I reloaded at the same spot and followed the same dialogue and didn't receive the option a couple times. I'm wondering if it's a random chance based on something like Charisma/Speech. So I'm betting that it's possible if your Charisma or Speech is low or you've insulted Saul at some point (that specifically was mentioned on another site) this option may not appear. I thought maybe that if it doesn't appear the first time it won't ever appear, but I just confirmed that it can. Also, after completing this I can confirm that it doesn't show up on your Pip-Boy 2000 (not that I thought it would).

[Paladin Richie]

I feel ressurecting a thread like this one pretty strange, but i have to share what happened to me.

Look the sequence of the facts that happened in my save and how none of them make any sense.

- I talked to Vinnie and i dont remember why, but i couldnt trigger the chat option about killing (or whatsoever) Killian. Therefore, i couldnt have the quest about stealing the Urn from Neal (the only chat option was "Nothing" when his only question was "What do you want").

- Talked to sherry, triggering her trip to the southwest room, but didnt convince her to testify against the skulz.

- Tried to trigger the bar fight between the skulz and Trish, but i talked to Neal a thousand times in a thousand different times (14, 16, 18, 00:00) and nothing happened (even though the skulz were there). I didnt kill shark or the other skulz.

- Then i went back to Vinnie but instead of going inside through the main door, i went in through the side door, the one on the east side of the building. Then voila: he talked to me: "Have you got it? (The Urn)". At this time i was: WTF? The quest came out of nowhere and i was already in a advanced step of it.

- Stole the Urn, talked to Vinnie and to Lars.

- Here comes one more STRANGE thing. Vinnie shows up in the bar completely ALONE. No skulz member were there with him. We killed him easy, but the guards of Junktown didnt leave the bar.

- Skipped the time and then the other members of the skulz shows up with Shark and his companions (???). Even though i couldnt trigger the bar fight, i just killed them all (Viniie was already dead). After that the guards of junktown left the place.

I know it is pretty long but this has so many bugs in it, that i had to share!

[Chucko Kokos]

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[† Righteous Agathian †]

I've been unable to finish these quests peacefully as well. BUT, I managed to find a loophole for saving Trish and Saul's relationship, that makes no sense at all but it's what's happened in my playthrough right now.

I was able to complete Save Saul if Trish was killed during the confrontation at the bar when Vinnie and the Skulz come to kill Neal. The next morning I talked to Saul and once I got to the "Yes, I've met Trish" dialogue I got the quest completing response, despite her being killed.
Saul doesn't seem to acknowledge that Trish has been killed, and so things go on as normal and you pass the quest.

I reloaded, thinking I could pass this quest now but I'll save Trish, but if she lives it appears I don't get the correct dialogue from Saul the next morning off of the "Yes, I've met Trish" part.

That's my 2cents about about the quests, as well as all the other problems everyones had with em.

EDIT: Saved Trish during fight and got the quest completing dialogue but didn't receive any XP, seem to get something different each time -.-