Fallout

Fallout

im sorry but the main villain is beyond stupid
his desgin is awsome, ill give him that. but the master's plan is just so flawed. isn't he supposed to be smart???

how did he not see that his mutants are unable to reproduce???

how is the fact that they can't reproduce stops him from just occupying vaults and dipping the prime-normals, but letting some breed???

how does he excpet to keep control over them after they mutated? he doesn't control their mind. if he dips criminals, they can just rebel with their new powers

why force everyone to mutate by force??? how does it help anyone???

why is it required that EVERYONE be a mutant? if the humans are weak and under control, who cares if they are part of the "unity" or not??

uuuhgh so many plotholes... for what could have been such a great story
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Zara Mar 2, 2017 @ 5:35pm 
its possbly he did know but was in denial, of course the far more likely reason is they didn't think of it. but hey its better then just having a speech option to say "this is very evil you should stop now"
Sloul Des Tucs Mar 3, 2017 @ 9:17am 
Scientists were working on it, but they never let the master know about this issue.
He was not the one in charge with the logistics, he was just the ideologic leader.
The commander of the military base is the one that knows about every issue and is resolved to work them out.
still the idea to force everyone to be super mutants i still super bad.
how will it prevent evil people not to become evil mutants?

why kill everyone who doesn't want to be a mutant?

why kidnap people instead of offering it as a gift?
Sloul Des Tucs Mar 4, 2017 @ 2:22pm 
Their reasoning might not be exactly like us.
One aspect of the master plan is working: all mutants work together and care for each others.
There are many dialogues and holodisks giving you clue about that.

Not everything is perfect in the master plan though, hence, the dialogue line which might convince him to explode the church and kill himself in the process.
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Dustin81 Mar 4, 2017 @ 11:54pm 
People do run the risk of losing their memory from the trauma of the change as well as their intelligence lowered depending on their underlying rad count.
Last edited by Dustin81; Mar 4, 2017 @ 11:55pm
Vex Hilarius Mar 5, 2017 @ 12:09am 
The master's plan wasn't a diabolical scheme to make humans obey mutants. The master wanted everyone to be mutants so they could survive a post apocalyptic world. The super mutants are immune to radiation and such. The master thought that being a super mutant was the next stage of human evolution.

I feel like he knew about the sterilization of the mutants, but chose to ignore it or thought it wasn't a problem since he most likely thought it would take a very very long time to turn everyone into mutants. So he thought it wasn't that big of a deal since he only turned a small part of the population into mutants by the time Fallout 1 happens.

The master is a complicated antagonist. He is what many call a "lawful evil". Everything he had done he thought was for the better for mankind to exist. He had his flaws, like kidnapping wastelanders and killing people who did not comply, but it was only because he saw a world where humanity could not survive. So in his mind, in order to save the human race, he had to get rid of the human race.

His dream wasn't the best for the future of mankind no doubt about it. But he is a great character, one of the best in videogames i say.
Originally posted by Dustin81:
People do run the risk of losing their memory from the trauma of the change as well as their intelligence lowered depending on their underlying rad count.

then why can't they just scan ran a scan with a gyger and give the victim rad-away?

and i still didn't get the answer how turning peole into mutants will make peace, if the intelligent mutants still have free will. and can do F'd up thinks like Tabitha, Dog and Davison from New Vegas
Dustin81 Mar 5, 2017 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by Jolly Jew:
Originally posted by Dustin81:
People do run the risk of losing their memory from the trauma of the change as well as their intelligence lowered depending on their underlying rad count.

then why can't they just scan ran a scan with a gyger and give the victim rad-away?
Because anti-rad chems don't fix dna anomalies caused by radation and traces fev sent airborn during the great war from people living in the wasteland. So they want people from the vaults who don't have their dna messed up.
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Adoehan Mar 5, 2017 @ 12:28pm 
Woah spoilers mutch?
Morrandir Mar 5, 2017 @ 1:30pm 
regarding super mutants: in the words of Ellen Ripley; "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ each other over for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ percentage."

the thing about super mutants is that they do not go around double crossing their fellow super mutants at the first opportunity they get, just compare them with the surviving humans in the wasteland.

maybe turning everyone into super mutants could have been the answer to all the problems that the human race face in post apocalyptia.

As for the master; sometimes when you believe in something so strongly, and you are fully focused on the results, it can be easy to overlook the basic flaws in one's plans.
Xerkie Mar 8, 2017 @ 1:41pm 
My responses

how did he not see that his mutants are unable to reproduce??? He did not know this ; He was not the commanding leader of the scientific division of Mutants, Lou Tentant [Lieutant] was and he didn't let the Master know as he was working on a solution, leading the Master to believe that they were legitimately the perfect breed of mutants.

how is the fact that they can't reproduce stops him from just occupying vaults and dipping the prime-normals, but letting some breed??? That's exactly part of his plan.

how does he excpet to keep control over them after they mutated? he doesn't control their mind. if he dips criminals, they can just rebel with their new powers Actually, the Supermutants have little to no recollection of their past mind ; They all answer to The Master and, although he doesnt control them, he can easily just kill them on command, and most Mutants have a sense of loyalty to The Master due to him being their "Father" and "Leader", and "Creator". Anyone that doesn't is either let of the hook or killed once they turn violent.

why force everyone to mutate by force??? how does it help anyone??? Did you even bother to listen to The Master for five F*Cking seconds? I'm sorry, but this question is stupid. You can literally just look up 'fallout 1 the master', go to youtube, and get a video where he explains how it helps people, IN DETAIL.

why is it required that EVERYONE be a mutant? if the humans are weak and under control, who cares if they are part of the "unity" or not?? That's part of his plan ; To let some humans and ghouls run free, breeding and doing whatever they wish as long as it does not harm The Unity, though once those humans die out or the majority of them are turned into a Mutant the plan would be fully complete.
stop whining and enjoy the game
ah, random half-witted posts from jolly jew, don't we all love them in every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ community page for nearly every game

The guy spammed RO2 community with them, just check the amount of ♥♥♥♥ he wrote there
Last edited by The Cunning Fox (raZoleg); Mar 11, 2017 @ 7:42pm
Originally posted by Vulpes Astuta:
ah, random half-witted posts from jolly jew, don't we all love them in every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ community page for nearly every game

The guy spammed RO2 community with them, just check the amount of ♥♥♥♥ he wrote there

the only half witted here is you. A hole.
and FYI i made plenty of freinds in the RO community
carbastard Mar 16, 2017 @ 8:09am 
Oh look, someone pretending to be smart while crapping on a decades old game.

Have you considered that The Master's plan doesn't have to make exact sense because, uhm, he's a mutated and mentally deranged being? The fact the main villain pursues an impossible goal doesn't make him either implausible or "a plothole". Many fundamentally flawed schemes have been pursued by mankind and that hasn't stopped the people who believed in them, right? So, tell me, how does reflecting a trend in history make for a poor story?

It's irrelevant to the story if what The Master believes is possible or not. What matters to the story is that The Master has the means to affect the world in pursuit of what he believes in, that's why he poses a threat. And that's why the story hinges on the player having to stop The Master's plans because, regardless of the true outcome, The Master will anyways go to great lengths to mutate everyone in the Wasteland, specially pure-bred humans like the player's "family" in Vault 13. In other words, the point isn't if the plan make sense or not, the point is that the plan is well underway and executed by massive and heavily armed mutants that want to kill you.

You're not an intellectualy-gifted special snowflake finding plotholes on a cult classic, you're just dumb :steamhappy:.
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Date Posted: Mar 2, 2017 @ 4:52pm
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