DEAD ISLAND 2 being an Epic Games Store Exclusive Will Hurt Sales Numbers

[chaoszan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOZAEOqVfQI

I personally am sick and tired of the epic games store paying for time exclusivity on their platform. Dambuster/Deepsilver may make money up front, but overall they will make less money because they will sell way less copies on the epic store. If it released on both steam and the epic game store at the same time I would have no issue, and in fact they would make more money that way. Unfortunately that is not the case and steam users will be waiting a year for the game to come to steam. This practice of epic game store timed exclusivity is anti - consumer.

[Doko]

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Hurt Sales Numbers?
You realize they get paid for been exclusive so they already got paid a deal

They still have to meet a sales threshold on EGS itself to make good on their part of the contract, that's how this works.

No one truly gets money for free in the business world without reason and contract.

Besides, that money goes to the publisher, not the studio and not the devs.

[WreckerALeX]

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Escrito originalmente por WreckerALeX:

Hurt Sales Numbers?
You realize they get paid for been exclusive so they already got paid a deal

They still have to meet a sales threshold on EGS itself to make good on their part of the contract, that's how this works.

No one truly gets money for free in the business world without reason and contract.

Besides, that money goes to the publisher, not the studio and not the devs.

I was following Ooblets devs and they said they didn't need sales...I didn't join the discussion but seems like they were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their fanbase "We don't owe you a game" or something like that.
I don't know much how is true but I don't stand on any side, if the money helps them it's their choice.

I would think devs are competent to do their math if the exclusivity hurts them or not

[Mantis_Shrimp]

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Escrito originalmente por Doko:

They still have to meet a sales threshold on EGS itself to make good on their part of the contract, that's how this works.

No one truly gets money for free in the business world without reason and contract.

Besides, that money goes to the publisher, not the studio and not the devs.

I was following Ooblets devs and they said they didn't need sales...I didn't join the discussion but seems like they were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their fanbase "We don't owe you a game" or something like that.
I don't know much how is true but I don't stand on any side, if the money helps them it's their choice.

I would think devs are competent to do their math if the exclusivity hurts them or not

It’s not up to the devs on what platform to launch the game on that’s higher ups and big investors

[Crix]

Who cares. If Epic has achievements with it's release since that's something they're doing now. I'll just get it on Epic.

[Doko]

Escrito originalmente por WreckerALeX:

Escrito originalmente por Doko:

They still have to meet a sales threshold on EGS itself to make good on their part of the contract, that's how this works.

No one truly gets money for free in the business world without reason and contract.

Besides, that money goes to the publisher, not the studio and not the devs.

I was following Ooblets devs and they said they didn't need sales...I didn't join the discussion but seems like they were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their fanbase "We don't owe you a game" or something like that.
I don't know much how is true but I don't stand on any side, if the money helps them it's their choice.

I would think devs are competent to do their math if the exclusivity hurts them or not

They are first time devs and know sweet bugger all about what they need to do to meet sales expectations, and the way they went about treating their first userbase was appalling, so I wouldn't even remotely take their word for it on "not needing sales".

The court documents from the Epic vs Apple court case showed and told us that the contracts made with Epic and a dev, is that the dev gets the money, yes, but they also need to meet a sales threshold on Epic as their part of the deal.

[Doko]

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Who cares. If Epic has achievements with it's release since that's something they're doing now. I'll just get it on Epic.

Wait, so you're basing entire purchases purely on cheevo hunting?.

People actually dedicate their entire gaming lives to that falsehood these days?, I thought that died shortly after the 360/PS3 era.

[MasterManiac]

Was gonna be a day-one purchase for me. Multiple copies, in fact.

Not now. Not ever. ♥♥♥♥ you, Deep Silver.

[Chrille 🎃]

This Epic exclusive deal makes me sad that most likely the next Metro game (also deep silver) will be epic exclusive also. :/

[Bogan]

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This Epic exclusive deal makes me sad that most likely the next Metro game (also deep silver) will be epic exclusive also. :/

Yeah but Exodus did end up coming to Steam so just wait and DI2 will come to steam as well. I mean it might be a year or maybe less but we have plenty of games on steam to play in the meantime.

[Crix]

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Who cares. If Epic has achievements with it's release since that's something they're doing now. I'll just get it on Epic.

Wait, so you're basing entire purchases purely on cheevo hunting?.

People actually dedicate their entire gaming lives to that falsehood these days?, I thought that died shortly after the 360/PS3 era.

Well, you thought wrong. Why does it matter to you anyways.

[Doko]

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Escrito originalmente por Chrille:

This Epic exclusive deal makes me sad that most likely the next Metro game (also deep silver) will be epic exclusive also. :/

Yeah but Exodus did end up coming to Steam so just wait and DI2 will come to steam as well. I mean it might be a year or maybe less but we have plenty of games on steam to play in the meantime.

Yes, but by buying it a year later, you reward them for taking the deal and not respecting your time/money.

These deals are designed to benefit the publishers, not you or the devs.

[Doko]

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Wait, so you're basing entire purchases purely on cheevo hunting?.

People actually dedicate their entire gaming lives to that falsehood these days?, I thought that died shortly after the 360/PS3 era.

Well, you thought wrong. Why does it matter to you anyways.

Except I didn't, because you only talked about cheevos, so are you not going to buy the game on Epic due to cheevos also being supported?.

Steam supports cheevos, you can just buy it a year later? (no idea why you'd buy a game like this that's been swapped around multiple times and also has an exclusivity deal).

[SaiZaro]

Well to be honest I'm kind of glad (this one time) that the game will be delayed (for me) as I got too many games coming out this year that I want to play, so having it on a Epic for others to playtest it before I get it a year or so later is actually more in my favour plus I will know by then if I will like the game as people will play it till the end.

Also I do not support epic practices so I will wait for sale anyway, even when it comes to steam or other shops.

[Crix]

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Well, you thought wrong. Why does it matter to you anyways.

Except I didn't, because you only talked about cheevos, so are you not going to buy the game on Epic due to cheevos also being supported?.

Steam supports cheevos, you can just buy it a year later? (no idea why you'd buy a game like this that's been swapped around multiple times and also has an exclusivity deal).

Well you seem to not understand what you said about achievements dying "since the ps3 and 360 era" when that's obviously not true. You seem to be so triggered by someone buying a game or not by the fact they look at achievements being included or not as a means to purchase. I do but it's not a make or break it. I find it fun and adds to the fun factor of a game and it's motivating. You seem to assume I would spend every waking moment in game to get every one of them or that it's a end all don't buy list because of it.

To call it a "falsehood" makes no sense. You could argue the same for simply playing a video game in general. That's a silly assertion.

Some thing you should consider is, data clearly shows people enjoy achievements which means you are nothing but an opinion. Many though decided it's indifferent. Doesn't matter.

Games wouldn't be including them if they're "dying" and the ps3 and 360 what was that 3 generations ago? Another stupid assertion as games are clearly still including them. It's an area Epic games has even decided to jump in on. It does add some what a motivational factor in it as well but again, it's not a end all choice if that's what you're wanting to hear just don't assume because people like them, that's a deciding factor as I said. "Who cares" should've been a prominent statement.

[Bogan]

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Yeah but Exodus did end up coming to Steam so just wait and DI2 will come to steam as well. I mean it might be a year or maybe less but we have plenty of games on steam to play in the meantime.

Yes, but by buying it a year later, you reward them for taking the deal and not respecting your time/money.

These deals are designed to benefit the publishers, not you or the devs.

No I reward them for having EGS customers game test the game so they can iron out the kinks and we get a working game.