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I never expected to simply snap my fingers and look vr support. How stupid do you think people are?
I would never defend HG for what they promised and did not deliver at the launch of NMS. However they have been working and pushing out big updates for free wich is much more than i can say for AAA companies that release a buggy product and never look back. So you should probably reevaluate that in your free time.
I also think Eleon are great devs and have done great things with Empyrion .
You played freespace in vr in the 90s?
and just to remind you that this is a idea and suggestion post, not a it is coming to the game post
Is this what you mean by expensive?
I assume you guys don't have VR devices, or not all of them anyway.
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PS: I understand it takes a ton of time in terms of bug checking. But it seems to me, this would be way easier to add than is being let on in the VR threads.
https://appreal-vr.com/blog/vr-game-development-costs/
So apparently something costs at least $10,000 in regards to VR development. But I can't seem to find out what it is.
wow that is interesting.
I would like to find out what features are available for the entree fee and what features get unlocked with all the extra money. I had no clue it worked that way
I thought a game engine was a game engine but it sounds like unity locks features behind a paywall?
According to Blog it costs $10,000 at least.
(I'd believe Unity over the blog. But I'd believe actual developers over Unity)
Developers still have to integrate it into their game and refine it to work the way it's supposed to. However, I do think that the figure relates more to big companies who tend to pay 3 people to do one person's job if you include managers etc.
Indy developers tend to be graphic artists, designers and coders in one.
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/VROverview.html
Regardless, from experience, I know it's ALOT easier than is being made out officially. Of course, that's just from an integration standpoint, not actual development hours/workload.
Also, the VR "games" I have made consisted of one scene. (Fiddled around with creating custom VR homes for the home screeny thingy.) So my "experience" is light at best. Regardless, it cost me a whopping zero dollars to create using VR. (This was Unreal, and a few years ago) Unity I have not touched, nor Unreal in a few years (I don't like greedy companies)
That's for true!
I'm stalled on my project because I am tired of creating shapes to color in right now :P
Coding is always fun, for me. See, I can write (TONS of words, as we all know). Coloring, I'm not too shabby. But making 3d shapes that aren't blocks, well my brain has a hard time with curves. Probably why I'll be single until the end of time! (That and I am a jerk...)
Ha! atleast your honest witch is much more than i can say about alot of people today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ODnfcv5Rzg&list=PLCK8aOPy3e4JhG06GRdlJkmNXoITEewxV&index=2&t=0s
And on top of that it is easier than ever to implement vr with OpenXR
Be polite.
It costs a lot of money to install VR because you need to employ a new section of team members to create controller support and bug fix and graphical errors etc, it costs a lot of money, before you call me stupid for saying that, how about you fork out the cash for Eleon to do it ?
No insta program ,even from Unity itself, will be fully compatible, no matter what way you cut this ,Eleon need a new programmer to do it.
Got 100 US grand anyone?
Got 300 grand to make it worthwhile, over a 3 years period of wages ?
ANYONE ?
Deafening silence.
Thats the average starting point for ONE years wages for one person. Do the math, it is not cheap for an Indie studio.
Things just are not as simple as you guys think, the devs have spoken about it, VR, X-Box, Linux these things are all in teh same boat, not enough money or team members......Its simple math.
You paid under 30 bucks for Empyrion, be fair.
What about if a VR version was released with a price tag of another 30 dollars ?
Imagine the grief on the forums.
% of VR vs x-box vs Linux, who knows if Eleon will even do a VR version, basically because it COSTS money.........
VR would look great etc etc etc, but everything is a cost in development.
And companies that lie to gain millions out of there customers , never deserve praise. Ever.
No one was being sassy, that I could see. (If I said something, please let me know what it was!)
No one is calling anyone stupid. I am so confused.
From the (small) things I have made, adding VR support is free.
According to Unity, VR is free and most of what you're describing above is automatically handled. I have it in quotes a few posts above, as well as a link to their information.
I also included a blog post about it costing $10,000. Then we, in the thread, were discussing what that 10k could entail. Since, like I said, the things I have made cost me zero dollars.
This is quite possible, like I said it would be new ground.
I only pointed out that many things were automatically handled by Unity itself.
Isn't it the responsibilty of the developer to fund their game with the profits made from their consumers? IE We already have given 100k
No offense, but there is a large market for VR. I understand if you guys don't want to mess with it right now, but to say we need to pay for it (after we have already paid...)
So, why not start another kickstarter? For VR support. It gets to the 100k, you can hire the person needed and viola.
Kickstarter will get more funds than stuff like this. What about a patreon? That's a monthly income.
Why are you not offering that as an option? "Hey fans, what about a kickstarter for adding VR support to Empyrion?!" OR "Hey guys, sign up on our patreon, help pay for VR support!"
Instead, it's "Nope, too hard"
The same developer who has not promised Linux or X-box either, and has said, openly from day one, that they all depend on the finances at the time.
And go back over the thread, Im not quoting the rude parts of peoples posts mate, defeats the purpose...
Its not up to me to offer anything as an option mate, I just help, for free, I would never ask Eleon for payment, I can not code / program, its a waste of money paying chumps like me and I, really want to see Empyrion succeed.
Thats why we help in the first place, not for money.
Maybe Eleon have their own reasons, maybe it involves the complexities of running two teams along side each other, maybe Eleon have seen what biting off more than you can financially chew has done to others, I dont know, but its not my place to offer any such scheme for funding it either sorry.
Maybe you should post such suggestions at the Eleon forum suggestion section...
Where did Eleon ever state, VR is to hard ?
I think you made that up.
Its about money, not skill.....
Everything is about money mate.
Always is.
Why would you lock this?
The only person that seems rather rude here is you. Even your second posting here it was like woah where did that come from.
If you choose to lock this then that is your choice, but i have taken screenshots of this whole thing just in case.
Other than that, we have people in there infinite wisdom here telling us and everyone else how simple and easy and cheap it is to do, when its been said so many times now its almost at a point of locking every one of these threads when they pop up and leaving a link to the umpteen other threads that address the issue.
It is not cheap.
It is not simple.
Your programming experience in any game you have made has utterly no bearing on this issue for Empyrion.
Every game is different with different complexities.
So the excuse I can make a game with VR for nothing is nothing more than an illogical argument.
I saw that written in this thread.
Its not a matter of what any of you assume to be true.
Its a matter of what Eleon decide, and that has been posted oh so many times now.......
So at this point Im outa here.
Enjoy your chat guys.
I never said it would not cost anything. Obviously development of any kind takes time and resources.
You seem to be jumping to conclusions and assumptions without fully reading the comments people have made.