Any hope for this game?

[Blue moustache]

I honestly don't know what to think about this game so i would ask the opinion of the community. Is this game ever going to be an actual videogame and not a spaceship engineer simulator? I bought the game 6 years ago because i loved the idea of a survival game in space, but at that time it was just a big messy playground with buggy animations and an horrific graphic... which still is for as much i can tell.

I get it, it's a lot of fun to build your stuff in your own way. I know it's also done quite well, I understand that, but what about the rest of the game? I mean, i bought a survival game and the only thing i have to survive to is the hunger... how is this a survival game? No dangers of any type anywhere, barely existing wildlife with broken AI which makes them stand still while i shoot them, no enemies anywhere, no matter the difficulty i set. Literally nothing tells me to keep going because everything i do looks kinda pointless (and visually unsatisfying, starting from the HUD). Why selling this game as a survival and not an actual "space engineer simulator"? It's a pity to see so much potential wasted.

So what's your opinion about this? Do you think this game is gonna be polished and have actual gameplay other than just building, or am i gonna see another paid DLC for an EA game?

Update (vanilla): I changed the starting planet, found the enemies i was looking for (who spawn only around my spawning area and nowhere else) and they stand still while i shoot them.

[ZenDog]

If it's not for you don't play it. Not trying to be rude. It's not for everyone. The main reason why I been getting distant from this game is because I don't trust Funcom. I played Anarchy online for a couple years and all they did was give the player the run around with their new engine that never came out. Then I tried secret World which was a game that was like like half finished. They just abandoned them 2 games for Conan. I had high hopes for Anarchy because I really liked it a lot. Funcom also like Cash Shops.

[Blue moustache]

I think i'm missing something here... What Funcom has to do with this game? isn't it made from Eleon game studio which is an independent game studio? I'm not really informed about the developers tho

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by Blue moustache:

I think i'm missing something here... What Funcom has to do with this game? isn't it made from Eleon game studio which is an independent game studio? I'm not really informed about the developers tho

We’ve Partnered with Funcom!

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/383120?emclan=103582791439059554&emgid=3878226811991930956

[Adamsevs]

@Blue Moustache
I get your points but saying there's no enemy is a straight lie. Ever took over POI like Zirax dronebase on starter planet ? Ever destroyed spaceships with your own ?
Most "survival game" reach a point when you are comfortable with lesser degrees of danger, perhaps in Empyrion this states comes too soon once you have your first base with plants, well tempered and hermetic of radiations with foods waiting in the fridge, but that's when you need to explore others planets to get rare materials and conquer POI.

[ZenDog]

Yup Funcom is Funding the game and Eleon is Development. Maybe Funcom has changed over the years for the better.

[wolonggong]

It can be if you learn how to mod the files. If you don't, it wont change. This is not an action oriented game. Its designed to be occasional combat and that is why materials are limited. If they just kept throwing combat at you, you would eventually end up at a dead end with no materials remaining to be able to build things.

As for me, I heavily mod the game. I add a bunch of mobs to every planet type, I increase the size of possible spawns. I increase the health of some of the mobs. I increase the amount of ore deposits and decrease the materials needed for ammo and even increase the quantity of ammo made. I basically turn my games into an action survival game.

As for it possibly changing in the future? Now that Funcom is involved they are going to slam us with DLCs and so it may be possible in the future as long as you keep spending more and more and more and more and more money to get it. Personally I would say either walk away or learn how to mod the game files to get what you want out of what you already paid for so you are not Funcom'd out of a ton of money.

[Blue moustache]

Originally posted by Adamsevs:

@Blue Moustache
I get your points but saying there's no enemy is a straight lie.

I would have no reason to lie. The only enemies i found were some spiders at the start of the game and only around my spawn location, then i would see no more wildlife all over the planet anymore, unless i go to the main menu and load the save. I tought that maybe i had to fix the settings, that maybe i just had a weird seed for the planet, or maybe some game files were broken. So i tried different solutions to that: checking the files status, creating different saves with different seeds, but nothing changed.
I went straight for exploring around the world and found no POI but scraps, scraps and again scraps (other than the talon village) and no sign of wildlife or enemy.
Idk, am i missing something?

[Blue moustache]

Originally posted by wolonggong:

Personally I would say either walk away or learn how to mod the game files to get what you want out of what you already paid for so you are not Funcom'd out of a ton of money.

That's exactly what i was worried about. Every solution i can see on the steam discussions about whatever problem people has, involve the in-game console or the file modifying. Not like it's hard stuff or whatever, but it genuinely ruins the experience to me. Being in the middle of my game and opening the console to make it become enjoyable... Definetly not for me.
Well, wasted money and hope i guess. Thanks anyway for the suggestions

[`KokoJacK_^]

If you're on Akua, it is starting planet made for first timer and has no real hazard. You may want to start on a harder moon like Masperon, or just move.
The game really begins when you leave the starting solar system

[Vigilante]

i with you bro i thought this was still EA then next thing i see is them selling DLC

[Blue moustache]

Originally posted by `KokoJacK_^:

The game really begins when you leave the starting solar system

I genuinely tried to get to that point, but everything in the game tells me to stop playing and unistall. If you give me bad animations, bad graphic, bad (and ugly) HUD, bad optimization, bugs, huge empty environments, inexistent AI, bad controls... You are just doing your best to make me stop playing it (and i spent 40h on this game, so i really tried my best). With all of the respect for the developers, i understand that making videogames is not easy stuff (especially when you make them this big), but after so many years of EA i would expect an improvement of some kind.

[Atlar]

Originally posted by Blue moustache:

Originally posted by Adamsevs:

@Blue Moustache
I get your points but saying there's no enemy is a straight lie.

I would have no reason to lie. The only enemies i found were some spiders at the start of the game and only around my spawn location, then i would see no more wildlife all over the planet anymore, unless i go to the main menu and load the save. I tought that maybe i had to fix the settings, that maybe i just had a weird seed for the planet, or maybe some game files were broken. So i tried different solutions to that: checking the files status, creating different saves with different seeds, but nothing changed.
I went straight for exploring around the world and found no POI but scraps, scraps and again scraps (other than the talon village) and no sign of wildlife or enemy.
Idk, am i missing something?

Spawns are kind of bugged atm, that would explain "no wildlife" but no POI? No idea what happened there. Maybe there are none on the Vanilla starter planet? It's been a while since I played without Reforged Eden (mod).
Would try a different planet and/or Reforged Eden.

[`KokoJacK_^]

Originally posted by Blue moustache:

Originally posted by `KokoJacK_^:

The game really begins when you leave the starting solar system

I genuinely tried to get to that point, but everything in the game tells me to stop playing and unistall. If you give me bad animations, bad graphic, bad (and ugly) HUD, bad optimization, bugs, huge empty environments, inexistent AI, bad controls... You are just doing your best to make me stop playing it (and i spent 40h on this game, so i really tried my best). With all of the respect for the developers, i understand that making videogames is not easy stuff (especially when you make them this big), but after so many years of EA i would expect an improvement of some kind.

You could maybe try Reforged Eden, it is more action packed and tbh, it is better than the base game.
It is also a bit harder and a bit grindier, but it sounds more like this game is just not fit for you

[chaney]

OP, it sounds like something isn't working. It could be the current bug pointed out above by Atlar, which is likely to get sorted out fairly soon. Critters should be generated on Akua.

The game is ambitious and has a lot in it, but there are a lot of these kinds of problems. Some get fixed, others neglected for years/ever. You seem to be sensitive to 4th wall breaking issues. Most big issues can be dealt with in single player at least, but if you don't like the way that takes you out of the experience, I don't have much hope. If you don't mind challenge, RE is generally better regarded on these kind of things, but can't fix it all.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Blue moustache:

I get it, it's a lot of fun to build your stuff in your own way. I know it's also done quite well, I understand that, but what about the rest of the game? I mean, i bought a survival game and the only thing i have to survive to is the hunger... how is this a survival game?

The main things you have to survive around on foot are food, oxygen, radiation, and temperature, which is a healthy range of concerns by the standards of most survival games, and more considerations than a lot of them. The injury system is also fairly robust, with a lot of nasty things that can happen to you, which get worse if left unattended.

However, that's only the first layer of survival. Once you start building bases and CVs, additional survival mechanics rise for your vehicles. You'll typically want to have things like a farm, fridges, construction capabilities, and oxygen in your ship or base, which also means its going to be constantly draining power perpetually from that moment onwards, and letting the power go out can be a really big problem. Furthermore you'll likely need a constant supply of Pentaxid for shielding and warp drives, and of course ammo so it can defend itself. These become 'survival' needs on a much larger scale, where as long as you are keeping your CV/BA in good working order, it will generally provide what your character needs to survive, so the needs shift to the ship instead.

Originally posted by Blue moustache:

No dangers of any type anywhere, barely existing wildlife with broken AI which makes them stand still while i shoot them, no enemies anywhere, no matter the difficulty i set. Literally nothing tells me to keep going because everything i do looks kinda pointless (and visually unsatisfying, starting from the HUD). Why selling this game as a survival and not an actual "space engineer simulator"? It's a pity to see so much potential wasted.

I agree that I wish there was more threat from the local wildlife, closer to something like Ark, but it would be incorrect to say there are NO dangers, they just aren't lurking around in the wilderness. Attacking POIs is generally where most of the danger is. Find an 'abandoned' POI and it's like going through a dungeon/haunted house.

If you want to try out Reforged Eden, starting on some of the moderate difficulty swamp worlds makes the local wildlife dramatically more dangerous. Instead of 1-3 raptors on occasion, you'll find a pack of 12, and going out at night is incredibly dangerous, with hostile enemies showing up constantly.