Bases vs Large CVs

[Barmy Nimrod]

I’m back after a long hiatus. Last played in 1.8.

In my old 1.8 file I found I rarely even visited my main base. I found myself living on my CV.

My question is, does anyone find a need to have a base once you have a large capable CV?

[The Big Brzezinski]

Well, I gotta store all my other CVs someplace. I know other people get by with just one ship, but I like to specialize. It's good to know that I can risk damaging or even losing a combat CV because it has nothing to do with my ability to mine resources.

I tend to also need oodles of storage for hull blocks and spare materials, so an unpowered cold storage BA is handy. It'so nice to have a repair pad handy as well.

[prophesied]

Originally posted by Barmy Nimrod:

I’m back after a long hiatus. Last played in 1.8.

In my old 1.8 file I found I rarely even visited my main base. I found myself living on my CV.

My question is, does anyone find a need to have a base once you have a large capable CV?

The general answer for vanilla is no. Although Big makes some good points, the average player will probably just shift from BA to CV.

There is a group of players who want Bases to be more important and after reading their comments I designed that into my scenario Milky Way Conflict which I am hosting, if you want to try it out. In this scenario, vessels depend on bases for resupply and repair. Vessels can't build their own blocks and can't build ammo. Changes the dynamic and makes bases important again.

Either way, you can pretty much play how you want to.

[XLjedi]

I still love my Lego castle and orbital stations... they bring me back to a happy place.

[captainamaziiing]

I like that you can play either way. But the further you go in the game, the more inconvenient a fixed base becomes, so the natural progression is to eventually become fully transient by necessity so you don't have to fly home to dump cargo or fix your ship all the time. Just carry the parts to build a quicky base with a core, generator, fuel tank and repair block to fix your CV after a mishap or battle. Now the 'base' is mobile too. You can live without a furnace. Your constructor can do everything your furnace does, just a bit slower.

[Sticky]

You have options , that's the good thing. A Base is good to unload to reduce weight so you ship move around properly, best to have a solar base that does not require fuel and only runs on Solar. I don't even put generators or fuel tanks on my solar base builds. You want to place any solar base within 5 AU from the center Sun ( other Suns in the same system if any are only for looks ) And i prefer to place my bases in UCH Research Vessel space.

Or you have option 2 you could use a super carrier to haul your load and park all your vessels and only jump it to Suns and take the Vessels you need for your expedition in that system. A Sun jumping carrier does not need to have defense and you would only want to jump to Suns or UCH Research Vessel areas.

[jdrafton]

I play Reforged Eden slowly because I enjoy it. Current play is 1.5 years. I also play other scenarios simultaneously.

This game is so diversified that using one large CV for everything would be too boring and claustrophobic for me and a waste of the whole potential of the game.

I like the attacks on my home planet, to the point that I leave the higher level POIs till much later in the game. As I search the galaxy for resources and interesting planets, I place adequate bases on planets/moons that I will be working on for extended periods of time.

I have a major base on my Homeworld to make fuel and grow food and a major space station in my home solar system. I have bases on many of the planets/moons in my local system and maintenance stations for each of my autominers that speeds up my playthrough tremendously.

However, I have a Helios module carrier for deep space exploration that carries absolutely everything I would need with me as needed. I leave this parked near the sun for safety and convenience should I need further assistance. This carries all of my "advanced" spacecraft and has adequate storage.

All of my bases have teleporters for added convenience. I have transitional hubs that allow travel to other nearby solar sytems to bypass travel by ship instantaneously.

This allows me to play the way I like. I am no longer bound by a spacecraft. If I get tired of collecting drone cores on my hell planet, I can teleport to my ocean planet or snow planet to enjoy the scenery, raid POIs, or maintain my autominers.

I have a seperate garden on my homeworld and a Helios garden module for deep space exploring. Using teleporters, I can take a break from raiding and just make food or medicine anytime I want without worries.

All of this is centralized through the use of teleporters that connects to my entire solar system and many nearby solar systems using "Stargate" hubs for convenience. Each base has appropriate CVs, SVs, and HVs to accomplish the tasks required when the mood hits or when necessary. If I need a bigger fighter to clear the space of a local planet I can teleport to it and bring it with me.

Here is a collection of bases I have either built myself, or from others that I have found interesting, and still use over the last 6 years:

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1627806408

Play the way you want. You are only limited by your imagination. I hope this helps.

[Basho]

i like having a base, but i like having a mobile base even more.
currently building a huge CV to serve as both a base and a mothership, with a large hangar to store smaller specialized CVs as well as other smaller vessels.

i tweaked the configs though to allow placing solar panels on CVs, increased maximum storage cap of cargo extensions, increased max allowed number of many items (turrets, constructors, etc), lowered CPU cost of things i didnt enjoy, and some other tweaks.

my goal is to move the huge CV into an AO and park it in a strategic location, then use smaller CVs from there to go mining or attack hostile positions and so on.

[The Big Brzezinski]

A CV base does mean missing out on solar power opportunities, though.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2941727863

[jdrafton]

My Reforged Eden Helios CV carrier base has maximum 24 solar Panels and idles with shields/thrusters off at -600 watts here:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2862079580

[The Big Brzezinski]

I've built factory BAs with some eight advanced constructors running concurrently and still run a solar power surplus.

[Codedog]

I love bases as safe fallback points. Your mighty CV can be lost. Was much more true in past years though, the CV has been elevated quite a bit. Used to be a single well piloted and designed SV could take any CV in PVP (which was dumb, but kinda fun)

[Xarq]

Playing Reforged Eden multiplayer here.

Even with the 'free power' that 16 windmills offer - I only put planet bases down where I am gong to set multiple Erestrum and/or Zascosium Auto-Miners down. Even then it's a minimalist base with 1 Advance constructor, and 2 small constructors and three 640K cargo controllers. Sometimes I'll add the 24 solar panels. Sometimes not if I can get by without it.

A lot of the time I'll just haul the ore from the Auto-Miners back ... to a space base that doesn't require fuel for the Advanced Constructors. Drop off my ore load and salvage haul .. get it cooking in a deconstructor or furnace and then I'm off again to pillage, plunder and loot.

In some rare cases I might put a base down on a planet with water with the intention to use a bunch hydrogen extractors to farm up hydrogen for making Promethium Hydrocells. Of course I'll add oxygen extractors to this and a few water container extractors.

In general for both RE and Vanilla a well built Space base at 1.9 to 3.0 AU from a star are far, far superior to anything you can build on planet.

If I was Vermillion or Rivian I'd add something to the game to make planet bases even more appealing. Maybe add a new Deconstrutor or new Furnace that only works on Planet Base's -- that gives you additional yield (deconstructor) or a small % chance to get double the number of ingots from 1 ore smelted (furnace) . The nature of the mid to end game just makes stationary bases (especially planet side bases) bad by comparison to a carrier ship / mobile space base.