Random garbage FPS drops.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

When in certain galaxies, looking in a certain direction, sometimes the game literally drops to less than 10FPS. It actually makes me want to throw up using jetpack at 15FPS. I've tried tweaking settings and doing multiple things to alleviate the issue but just completely relaunching is the only way to fix it. I've noticed sometimes It's related to looking at the sun, sometimes it's not. Anyone got a fix?

[Sprocket66]

I've been getting similar issues the past few days in RE 1.5, vanilla didn't give any issues last week. Opening containers, multi-tooling poi's, flying on planets and ground combat. Never had any problems with Empyrion before, it's always been pretty smooth.

Also noticed that the load distance is pretty short for poi's. Have load distance set to max and they don't seem to pop in until I'm within 200 meters or so. My computer shouldn't have any issue handling the game, I9, 32gb, 2080 ti, ssd and so on.

Everything is up to date on drivers. I verified files a few times since this started up and I keep getting 1 or 2 files that need to be fixed. Never had that happen before.

It was recommended that I roll back my video drivers if I can't find some other fix.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

Sprocket66 původně napsal:

I've been getting similar issues the past few days in RE 1.5, vanilla didn't give any issues last week. Opening containers, multi-tooling poi's, flying on planets and ground combat. Never had any problems with Empyrion before, it's always been pretty smooth.

Also noticed that the load distance is pretty short for poi's. Have load distance set to max and they don't seem to pop in until I'm within 200 meters or so. My computer shouldn't have any issue handling the game, I9, 32gb, 2080 ti, ssd and so on.

Everything is up to date on drivers. I verified files a few times since this started up and I keep getting 1 or 2 files that need to be fixed. Never had that happen before.

It was recommended that I roll back my video drivers if I can't find some other fix.

Yeah I've just recently started getting into this game and I'm honestly gonna stop playing it soon just for these small reasons. I've already played through it like three times and it's just one of those games that gets old. The massive random FPS drops, the tedious lag spikes when trying to craft things or when you reload. It's a great game and it's far from polished which i have zero problems with, I've just gotten to the point where I'm almost bored with it and dealing with the small polish issues is becoming reason enough to move on.

[piddlefoot]

You will probably find that in the directions you get lag, there are massive structures in the distance and the pre processing can cause lag with this.
Set the graphics card to NOT pre process.
It also can be a sign of a graphics card not quite up to speed.

When you start a thread about performance issues, its always best to also post the PC spec you play on.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

piddlefoot původně napsal:

You will probably find that in the directions you get lag, there are massive structures in the distance and the pre processing can cause lag with this.
Set the graphics card to NOT pre process.
It also can be a sign of a graphics card not quite up to speed.

When you start a thread about performance issues, its always best to also post the PC spec you play on.

I have an I7 8700k, 32GB of DDR4 2666mhz RAM, RTX 2070, Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, and a 144hz IPS monitor. Obviously, hardware isn't a problem. You're incorrect on it being massive structures in the direction I'm looking. This game runs beautifully in space, literally keeps it pinned at 144 unless you're near a massive ship, POI, or base. It seems the issue is looking towards the sun sometimes. Even in area where there's a large collection of POIs I still retain playable FPS. Also, planets with flora continuously make frames drop below 85 (my preferred 1% low) when there's literally no POIs even loaded in yet. There are "fixes" that involve changing the server files to include less trees and flora, but that's just going around your elbow to get to your ass like come on. Not to mention if you're playing on a world that's already populated (or a private server like I do) this is just out of the question. Clearly this is an optimization issue, which once again I have no problem with dealing with such optimization problems when they're not completely crippling my frames below playability. If you're in the empty vacuum of space with a single enemy ship shooting at you and you have 15 FPS, what are you supposed to do on a server? Just take the L and lose your entire ship because of some dumb FPS problem, try and relaunch quick enough to not have your ship destroyed? With that said, looking in a specific direction and getting less than 30FPS because of the sun or trees or whatever it is, is completely unacceptable.

[Sir-Derp's]

I have, Intel Core i7 on an HP which cost $800.

I have, lag no worse than Skyrim, no crashing after hours of not saving, and graphics when set to minimum is stunning yet simple.

I also have, slow astronaught-like body behavior since a kid on purpose, because I wanted to be an astronaught, as a result I don't overload the processor with my wild animal movements like you do, because I never move quickly, I think first, then do action. In-game death aint real so chill out bro.

[piddlefoot]

Pat the Space Ranger původně napsal:

piddlefoot původně napsal:

You will probably find that in the directions you get lag, there are massive structures in the distance and the pre processing can cause lag with this.
Set the graphics card to NOT pre process.
It also can be a sign of a graphics card not quite up to speed.

When you start a thread about performance issues, its always best to also post the PC spec you play on.

I have an I7 8700k, 32GB of DDR4 2666mhz RAM, RTX 2070, Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, and a 144hz IPS monitor. Obviously, hardware isn't a problem. You're incorrect on it being massive structures in the direction I'm looking. This game runs beautifully in space, literally keeps it pinned at 144 unless you're near a massive ship, POI, or base. It seems the issue is looking towards the sun sometimes. Even in area where there's a large collection of POIs I still retain playable FPS. Also, planets with flora continuously make frames drop below 85 (my preferred 1% low) when there's literally no POIs even loaded in yet. There are "fixes" that involve changing the server files to include less trees and flora, but that's just going around your elbow to get to your ass like come on. Not to mention if you're playing on a world that's already populated (or a private server like I do) this is just out of the question. Clearly this is an optimization issue, which once again I have no problem with dealing with such optimization problems when they're not completely crippling my frames below playability. If you're in the empty vacuum of space with a single enemy ship shooting at you and you have 15 FPS, what are you supposed to do on a server? Just take the L and lose your entire ship because of some dumb FPS problem, try and relaunch quick enough to not have your ship destroyed? With that said, looking in a specific direction and getting less than 30FPS because of the sun or trees or whatever it is, is completely unacceptable.

Are you on an official server ?

The official servers are test platforms, not high end servers.
HWS is a high end server affiliated with Eleon.

Building Mc huge CVs on the official test servers, not a great idea.

If its a graphics issue try turning some settings down.
Just check how it effects the game.

On private servers we have no way of checking teh server spec or anything ,not much we can do about that.

If people dont post there spec when asking for help, we can only assume its a low spec.
So post your spec when asking for help, its not much to ask to be able to rule that out as an issue, but we cant do that if you dont post them, you force us to assume.

Another thing about spec, and those that think just because they bought a cool, not to old graphics card, does not mean its flawless....

https://www.reddit.com/r/dyinglight/comments/kdmwch/stuttering_and_lag_on_rtx_2070_super/

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/288224/rtx-2070-stuttering-across-the-board-issue-found-n/

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/fps-lag-on-all-my-games-with-an-i9-9900k-rtx-2070.3698153/

The spec of your graphics card is not everything.
A thousand things can cause lag issues in PCs.

And theres also the question of, why is not everyone experiencing this issue if its ONLY code related......

Just have a think, and then maybe adjust some graphics settings and see what happens.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

Aight thanks for the complete lack of help guys. "Turn everything down" is what every braindead person says when they don't have any real input, keep that in mind.

[Jalore]

PC Gamer just released article about fps drops "The Windows 10 gaming performance fix is out, here's how to get your PC up to date"

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-optional-gaming-performance-boost/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR0LuIKd4CLC4BJkpA-FXd_4d-qHX75pyaH6CvphwAMDqsU0tHb8toGm_c4

[Pat the Space Ranger]

Jalore původně napsal:

PC Gamer just released article about fps drops "The Windows 10 gaming performance fix is out, here's how to get your PC up to date"

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-optional-gaming-performance-boost/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR0LuIKd4CLC4BJkpA-FXd_4d-qHX75pyaH6CvphwAMDqsU0tHb8toGm_c4

Works completely fine in all other games, Cold War 100+fps, Assetto Corsa 144+, Dark Souls 3 80+, literally only this game has those issues brother.

[Amrak]

Pat the Space Ranger původně napsal:

Aight thanks for the complete lack of help guys. "Turn everything down" is what every braindead person says when they don't have any real input, keep that in mind.

WOW insult those who are trying to help! Real winner you are.
Wonder if you actually tried the suggestion if they would help??? No surely you can not do that with the fancy RTX card it is perfect and is built for all games to run without any graphic problem. Might want to check into the issue some games have with the high tech RTX cards before you insult others.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

Amrak původně napsal:

Pat the Space Ranger původně napsal:

Aight thanks for the complete lack of help guys. "Turn everything down" is what every braindead person says when they don't have any real input, keep that in mind.

WOW insult those who are trying to help! Real winner you are.
Wonder if you actually tried the suggestion if they would help??? No surely you can not do that with the fancy RTX card it is perfect and is built for all games to run without any graphic problem. Might want to check into the issue some games have with the high tech RTX cards before you insult others.

I don't think you quite understand how computer hardware works my friend. I'm not being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's the truth that if someone says "turn the graphics down" to fix your major fps problem, is just oblivious to a fix. Most of the games with a problem like this are a simple setting, or INI tweak to fix it. Dropping your settings gives you more FPS, but it doesn't fix the respective drop from whatever the actual problem is. Because dropping your settings isn't the fix, therefore, telling someone to drop their settings is a braindead suggestion when they have the hardware to run said settings. I'm not sitting over here saying the 2070 can literally gnaw through any game, I'm simply saying there's some sort of setting or engine issue that creates these terrible drops. By the way, try what? All they did was tell me to drop my settings, that's it. I'm not doing that because it doesn't help the problem at all. I'm not an idiot, when I first got the frame drop I toggled all the settings to see if it fixed it, and it didn't. It's not the graphics cards fault, this is a DX12 game, and supports the newest NVidia drivers, so you telling me it "could" be a GPU problem is another example of someone who doesn't know a thing about what they're saying.

[piddlefoot]

Well you can get nasty, or you could run the PC through some tests and help us understand, how are we supposed to know, we are not sitting at your PC, we can not run a test to know how accurate what you say is, we have to go off what you describe, so have a little patience because people posting, trying to help you, dont deserve to be abused.

If we are so braindead because we cant fix something from descriptions you give of that system, then think about why that might be.....

Do a full system analysis.
Run an intense game benchmark, like futuremark or something similar, run it a couple of times, install it and just run it straight away, dont even reboot just straight up run it as soon as its installed.
Then follow the instructions below to shut down programs in W10 before playing, and reboot the system before you do that, then run benchmark again, if you do that and post results, it might shine a light on what part of your system is either struggling, or expose a program that might be spiking in the backround your unaware of, or expose a system setting thats not set correctly, for example the voltages in the BIOS.

https://benchmarks.ul.com/3dmark

I run a GTX980, about half the power of a 2070 and it runs pretty good for most areas.
But even with the latest graphics card your going to get lag spikes if you dont have that FPS limiter on, set to 60FPS and even then, being an unoptimised game, its going to still have the odd spike here and there.

Comparing other games is a complete waste of time, they dont relate, none of them that you mention, process as much as Empyrion, not even close.

Cold war, Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super or AMD Radeon R9 390 , all graphics card, CPU is on a light load, along with RAM.
Assetto Corsa, recommended a GTX970 for that game, again, all graphics card.
Dark Souls, Video Card: 512 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4850 or higher, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT or higher and again, most of the games computational work is all graphics card based, CPU has a very small workload in these other games vs what Empyrion does daily, it pushes your CPU hard, and it stretches your RAM use to its limits and it can literally eat tens of gigs of RAM in minutes for a server, the potential of Unity, the game engine is much higher than most people give it credit for, its not a new game engine its pretty aged at this point, and other game engines can process more now, but most games still dont, most games process more on the graphics card than anything else, making game comparisons really pointless here, if it were a game similar, that would be worth comparing, like SE or PN for example, but them games you compare dont relate at all sorry.

Empyrion, can, and will push your ENTIRE system and ANY part that is not up to speed will cause you latency, thats called internal latency.

Empyrion processes more right across the board, on the CPU, the GPU and amount of RAM being used and boy can it chew up resources fast.
Its smart to lock the frame limiter to 60 FPS, it knocks heat and artifacts out of the game because having it unlocked to roll out to 300 plus FPS and roll back to 40 FPS and back to 300 plus, isnt the best way to play Empyrion, if it was a first person shooter in a competition, like the battlefield series, etc, yea sure you need the frame counter unlocked, absolutely agree, but in Empyrion its completely overkill.
So start there, lock that frame limiter and run some tests, reboot your system before you do it, then open taskmanager.

Sometimes it can be as silly as a setting in the PC , like pagefile, set to a drive that is not an SSD.
There are so many settings that can effect gaming.

Im not going to list specific programs to turn off, everyone has different stuff on their systems , so rather I will leave a link that you can read and choose for yourself how to proceed.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/safely-close-all-running-programs-in-windows-with-ability-to-restart-the-closed-programs/

These below are the recommended steps from the PUBLIC on how to improve a Windows 10 system for gaming.

Optimize Windows 10 for Gaming With These 11 Tweaks
Windows 10 Gaming Mode.
Disable Nagle's Algorithm.
Use faster DNS servers.
Disable automatic updates.
Disable Notifications in Windows 10.
Prevent automatic updates from Steam.
Tweak visual effects for performance.
Adjust mouse settings to improve gaming speeds.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-identify-and-terminate-high-resource-processes-using-task-manager-windows-10



Try to keep in mind, none of this is intended as an attack on you or your system, we can only go off what you describe.
If that description lacks information, we can never get to you, the correct answer, we can only guess as it is, only you can give us the power to make that guess, an educated guess.

Just have a think.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

piddlefoot původně napsal:

Well you can get nasty, or you could run the PC through some tests and help us understand, how are we supposed to know, we are not sitting at your PC, we can not run a test to know how accurate what you say is, we have to go off what you describe, so have a little patience because people posting, trying to help you, dont deserve to be abused.

If we are so braindead because we cant fix something from descriptions you give of that system, then think about why that might be.....

Do a full system analysis.
Run an intense game benchmark, like futuremark or something similar, run it a couple of times, install it and just run it straight away, dont even reboot just straight up run it as soon as its installed.
Then follow the instructions below to shut down programs in W10 before playing, and reboot the system before you do that, then run benchmark again, if you do that and post results, it might shine a light on what part of your system is either struggling, or expose a program that might be spiking in the backround your unaware of, or expose a system setting thats not set correctly, for example the voltages in the BIOS.

https://benchmarks.ul.com/3dmark

I run a GTX980, about half the power of a 2070 and it runs pretty good for most areas.
But even with the latest graphics card your going to get lag spikes if you dont have that FPS limiter on, set to 60FPS and even then, being an unoptimised game, its going to still have the odd spike here and there.

Comparing other games is a complete waste of time, they dont relate, none of them that you mention, process as much as Empyrion, not even close.

Cold war, Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super or AMD Radeon R9 390 , all graphics card, CPU is on a light load, along with RAM.
Assetto Corsa, recommended a GTX970 for that game, again, all graphics card.
Dark Souls, Video Card: 512 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4850 or higher, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT or higher and again, most of the games computational work is all graphics card based, CPU has a very small workload in these other games vs what Empyrion does daily, it pushes your CPU hard, and it stretches your RAM use to its limits and it can literally eat tens of gigs of RAM in minutes for a server, the potential of Unity, the game engine is much higher than most people give it credit for, its not a new game engine its pretty aged at this point, and other game engines can process more now, but most games still dont, most games process more on the graphics card than anything else, making game comparisons really pointless here, if it were a game similar, that would be worth comparing, like SE or PN for example, but them games you compare dont relate at all sorry.

Empyrion, can, and will push your ENTIRE system and ANY part that is not up to speed will cause you latency, thats called internal latency.

Empyrion processes more right across the board, on the CPU, the GPU and amount of RAM being used and boy can it chew up resources fast.
Its smart to lock the frame limiter to 60 FPS, it knocks heat and artifacts out of the game because having it unlocked to roll out to 300 plus FPS and roll back to 40 FPS and back to 300 plus, isnt the best way to play Empyrion, if it was a first person shooter in a competition, like the battlefield series, etc, yea sure you need the frame counter unlocked, absolutely agree, but in Empyrion its completely overkill.
So start there, lock that frame limiter and run some tests, reboot your system before you do it, then open taskmanager.

Sometimes it can be as silly as a setting in the PC , like pagefile, set to a drive that is not an SSD.
There are so many settings that can effect gaming.

Im not going to list specific programs to turn off, everyone has different stuff on their systems , so rather I will leave a link that you can read and choose for yourself how to proceed.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/safely-close-all-running-programs-in-windows-with-ability-to-restart-the-closed-programs/

These below are the recommended steps from the PUBLIC on how to improve a Windows 10 system for gaming.

Optimize Windows 10 for Gaming With These 11 Tweaks
Windows 10 Gaming Mode.
Disable Nagle's Algorithm.
Use faster DNS servers.
Disable automatic updates.
Disable Notifications in Windows 10.
Prevent automatic updates from Steam.
Tweak visual effects for performance.
Adjust mouse settings to improve gaming speeds.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-identify-and-terminate-high-resource-processes-using-task-manager-windows-10



Try to keep in mind, none of this is intended as an attack on you or your system, we can only go off what you describe.
If that description lacks information, we can never get to you, the correct answer, we can only guess as it is, only you can give us the power to make that guess, an educated guess.

Just have a think.

Lecture me all you want on hardware and it's limitations, this is a game engine issue, not a hardware issue brother. I understand internal latency and most concepts behind hardware. My CPU is up to spec, as is my ram. Everything you're saying has no weight in the problem here. You're recommending fixes and such that I've already done to optimize my system. By the way FYI dark souls pushes my CPU beyond what some AAA games do "on a daily basis" as you say. CPU usage goes up to and above 50% sometimes, as it also does in Cold War. Saying comparing other games to it is like saying benchmarking your system is pointless for understanding how many frames you'll get in a game. Like come on now brother don't insult my intelligence.

[Pat the Space Ranger]

Also, telling someone with a 144hz screen to lock their game to 60FPS to fix issues does nothing but piss them off, FYI.

[piddlefoot]

Wow, people trying to help you, you call a lecture.

The benchmark gives us a FAIR comparison.
It gives us detail , ... your not going to bother so I guess I will just unsub, good luck mate.

Next time try being less aggressive.

No one is attacking you and you getting offended someone questioned your PC or anything about it is childish mate.
Its not hard to run a few tests and post the results or whatever, if all you want to do is abuse people who are asking questions and trying to figure out your system and the issue its having, then mate, you really dont deserve their help.
And if your rude to another person in this thread, this thread will be locked, calling people braindead is uncalled for.
Be polite at the very least.