Drills on SV

[VoshkaVonBadMeow]

I've been toying around with the config file, but I can't see to get the game to accept drills on a SV and HV.

Anybody figured it out? I mean the T1 Mechanical, T2 Laser, and Drill turret, but it's mainly the T2 drill I want on an SV for asteroid mining.

[rphillips1986]

I've gotten turrets from the HV to place on an SV, I'd imagine it would work just the same with the T2 drill. What are you changing in the file?

[Huyen]

The drills should fit on a HV. Also a HV can traverse in space, it just cant enter or exit a planet. So just build a CV, drop your HV on it, and fly to space. Then go drilling all you want.

[rphillips1986]

They may have changed the config file, I'm not seeing the line I had edited to allow HV minigun turret to be built on an SV. I'm still looking though.

[rphillips1986]

It does seem the line where you would change what the device could be built on (CV,SV,HV, or BA) is no longer included. I don't remember what the wording they used was to see if you can add it but I imagine if they removed it from the config file, its not going to let you change that at all.

[VoshkaVonBadMeow]

Yea, I can't find anything that helps, all I can do is include it in the SV techtree (yay lol)

And Yea, a HV works (ish) in space.. but it can't decend.. so docking back up is a bit of a hassle..
I've tried sticking thrusters on the top on bottom, but they won't do anything by help stabilize the craft, Space bar does nothing, C does nothing.. so am I missing a control or something?

I also imagine SV's would be easier to use to drill on planets... my HV's tend to go upsidedown and get all squirrely in a hole because it's always trying to hover from whatever happeneds to be underneath the hoverengines, regardless of if it is infact the ceiling.

[rphillips1986]

Originally posted by VoshkaVonBadMeow:

Yea, I can't find anything that helps, all I can do is include it in the SV techtree (yay lol)

And Yea, a HV works (ish) in space.. but it can't decend.. so docking back up is a bit of a hassle..
I've tried sticking thrusters on the top on bottom, but they won't do anything by help stabilize the craft, Space bar does nothing, C does nothing.. so am I missing a control or something?

I also imagine SV's would be easier to use to drill on planets... my HV's tend to go upsidedown and get all squirrely in a hole because it's always trying to hover from whatever happeneds to be underneath the hoverengines, regardless of if it is infact the ceiling.

HV in space is doable but it gets about as frustrating as an HV drilling on a planet. I never thought it worth it. I just build a small CV and throw a drill turret on there.

Sucks that they removed the abbility to make them placable on SV's. But it does sound like they are planning some turrets for SV's, and maybe a drill option will be included.

[VoshkaVonBadMeow]

Originally posted by rphillips1986:

Originally posted by VoshkaVonBadMeow:

Yea, I can't find anything that helps, all I can do is include it in the SV techtree (yay lol)

And Yea, a HV works (ish) in space.. but it can't decend.. so docking back up is a bit of a hassle..
I've tried sticking thrusters on the top on bottom, but they won't do anything by help stabilize the craft, Space bar does nothing, C does nothing.. so am I missing a control or something?

I also imagine SV's would be easier to use to drill on planets... my HV's tend to go upsidedown and get all squirrely in a hole because it's always trying to hover from whatever happeneds to be underneath the hoverengines, regardless of if it is infact the ceiling.

HV in space is doable but it gets about as frustrating as an HV drilling on a planet. I never thought it worth it. I just build a small CV and throw a drill turret on there.

Sucks that they removed the abbility to make them placable on SV's. But it does sound like they are planning some turrets for SV's, and maybe a drill option will be included.

I hope so.. HV's are great on flat planets, but drilling with them is confusing as hell, you flip upside down in a tight hole and prepare to spend minutes trying to find out which way is up..

Drills on an SV, especially the laser drills would probably be easier, not to mention very useful for asteroid harvesting. doing it manually is getting a little tedious, and I found that a drill turret on a CV isn't that much better, however, my CV may have been too large and cumbersom for the task.

Do you know any good asteroid harvesting CV on the workshop? perhaps I could use it like I would a SV and dock it on a larger CV..

Though trying to find all the little ore on every asteroid can be difficult, especially Iron ore, which pretty much looks like any old rock. Is there a trick I'm missing?

Or I'll have to keep relying on autominers, too bad those can't be placed in space..

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by rphillips1986:

They may have changed the config file, I'm not seeing the line I had edited to allow HV minigun turret to be built on an SV. I'm still looking though.

Whatever you might have changed, it never made it past experimental releases and into a general release version. I subscribe only to general releases, and I have a compressed archive file of a config.ecf file from December 16th, which of course was derived from a config_example.ecf of that date or earlier, and it has no properties in it that would allow such a thing. Eleon could not have used an update to sneak into my private compressed archives and remove selected lines of text from files it found in them.

I too have managed to get the HV turrets and drills into the SV tech tree, and made other adjustments necessart for allowing their use in space as well as on planets, etc., but it's all for naught because they're still not placeable on SVs. Do I need to begin a whole new game after making such changes?

[TwitchyJ]

You can still modify the config file to allow such changes, they just removed the line from the example. If you add it back yourself it works just fine.

AllowPlacingAt: "SS,GV", display: true
You'll want to add that line to the HV manual drills and then they'll be placeable on HV's and SV's

AllowPlacingAt: "SS,GV,MS", display: true
You'll want to add that line to the harvester cargo box and then it'll be placeable on HV's SV's and CV's.

They removed the line from the example because it caused too many issues with faulty bug reports due to people modifying things. Use it at your own risk.
Don't forget to change the name of the config file as well and restart the game or server for the changes to take affect.

SS stands for SV
GV stands for HV
Base stands for Base
MS stands for CV
Use it wherever.
You can add turrets to SV's but they will be manual fire only. No AI auto fire for defending the SV.

Also keep in mind that if you modify and rename the config file you won't get any of the new changes that may be made in updates unless you modify a brand new config file and rename it every time.

[VulcanTourist]

THANK YOU for mentioning those details. They SHOULD have left those properties in the _example file but commented them out with a suitable caution.

[rphillips1986]

Originally posted by TwitchyJ:

You can still modify the config file to allow such changes, they just removed the line from the example. If you add it back yourself it works just fine.

AllowPlacingAt: "SS,GV", display: true
You'll want to add that line to the HV manual drills and then they'll be placeable on HV's and SV's

AllowPlacingAt: "SS,GV,MS", display: true
You'll want to add that line to the harvester cargo box and then it'll be placeable on HV's SV's and CV's.

They removed the line from the example because it caused too many issues with faulty bug reports due to people modifying things. Use it at your own risk.
Don't forget to change the name of the config file as well and restart the game or server for the changes to take affect.

SS stands for SV
GV stands for HV
Base stands for Base
MS stands for CV
Use it wherever.
You can add turrets to SV's but they will be manual fire only. No AI auto fire for defending the SV.

Also keep in mind that if you modify and rename the config file you won't get any of the new changes that may be made in updates unless you modify a brand new config file and rename it every time.

Awesome! I was trying to remember what the wording was for that line, I was way off in my guess.

[VulcanTourist]

I just mined an asteroid with an SV. I could mine and maneuver at the same time, finally! Works a helluva lot better in solo play than trying to do it with a turret on a giant CV, when you can't control ship movement at the same time.

[VulcanTourist]

I also made turrets on SVs technically possible, BUT they don't function when I power them. The Turrets item in Control Panel is grayed-out, which suggests to me that yet again modding is impeded by hidden hard-coded restrictions. The whole no-turrets-on-SVs restriction was arbitrary in the first place and not a rational way to delineate the role of SVs from other ship types. Nearly all such restrictions are arbitrary. Enough with arbitrary already.

[VoshkaVonBadMeow]

Originally posted by TwitchyJ:

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I've tried editing the config, now to test it :)

EDIT: I believe you need to find the line that says " AllowAt: "Planet"" and change it to AllowAt: "UnderWater, Planet, Space" as well, otherwise it will only work on planets, and not in space.
And underwater in case I want to build a base underwater... considering water isn't fluid and won't flow into a base set in the rock beneath a lake that might be a fun thing to do..

[rphillips1986]

Now if we could create new things that would be great! I'd love to make a fixed repair turret.