Hot take (maybe) : Delete windows of opportunity

[Persica]

Survivor main btw.
Windows is the most crutch perk that does a lot for low-mid players but so much less for more experienced players to the point that replacing it with a more impactful meta perk or running bond is basically always going to be better.

As a survivor, the best / actually good teammates I encountered basically never runs windows, they are either bot, or very average and would be a bot without windows, you can notice how good windows users actually are immediately when you face a killer that applies blindness, some don't even seem to know pallets that always spawn when windows stop working.

I do not want get matched with windows users getting carried by this perk. They often use resources too quickly, especially pallets that are not that strong by themselves but are part of a bigger chain of loops since yk, they don't see and don't know about chains, they just see yellow, terrible macro (how to rotate, map awareness, how to rescue, die in gens... etc), and are generally just bad all around.

I honestly want windows of opportunity to be gone or have a meta where the killer applies blindness to the person he chases. If you can't play correctly without windows, you shouldn't be in high MMR, stay in low MMR until you get better.

Killers complain about these "where's yellow" survivors, but from my POV, they are more damaging for the survivors since they do game costing mistakes so often.

[Matcha Mama Bear ツ]

That's a BIG NO to the arrogant OP. This game is not all about YOU! I don't even use the perk, but that perk is so helpful to so many, both new and older players alike, and it's just outrageously ridiculous that you would even suggest or post this to begin with in my opinion. You must be farming Clown awards, but I'm not biting. And in all honesty, you sound more like a Killer main to me rather than a Survivor main as you claim, just saying.

[Plz Don't Tunnel Me]

Windows is easily one of the best survivor perks as knowing where your resources are is insanely useful. It's not just for new players. Some pallets/windows are fixed but most are RNG and you also don't know what's been used. You can use it to maximize holding W, chain tile after tile, avoid deadzones, and you can see where chase is by pallets being dropped. This idea that it's just a noob perk is ridiculous.

Also, the complaints about someone using too many resources have always been nonsensical. If a survivor manages to take the killer all the way around the map using all the pallets, that's gg for the killer. Only reason a team wouldn't win in that situation is because the other 3 weren't doing gens. Bad survivors don't chain tile after tile no matter what perks they're running.

[Meat Shield :)]

Any means necessary? play swf? expecting randos not to run certain perks or straight up deleting a perk because you feel its not worth it, is wild. People will always run something you may not like. Game developers can't appease everyone (unfortunately) and they're not going to get rid of windows. Either figure it out or don't play solos? It sounds like you're confident and decent in your own skill level, thus it shouldn't be a problem to find others that may be like minded. or similar in skill. I'm, not saying you're wrong. I've played games running windows because I simply haven't played in a minute. The perk isn't bad and can be rendered useless with anything giving blindness on basic hits. Maybe its just a lot of really bad matchmaking with teammates. Again, playing swf would solve this simple issue if its such a problem with your game-play. If it doesn't, then I wish you the best of luck in your gaming. Hope your matches get better.

[Persica]

Originally posted by Matcha Mama Bear ツ:

And honestly, you sound more like a Killer main to me, just saying.

Gotta be honest, I am dogwater at killer.

Originally posted by Matcha Mama Bear ツ:

NO to the arrogant OP. This game is not all about YOU! I don't even use the perk, but that perk is so helpful to so many, both new and older players alike

Probably didn't communicate my attention well. It's a very useful perk (sure bond and other top tier meta perk are arguably more useful, but still very good), but my point is that it (may ?) allow for a lot of players to climb MMR when they shouldn't (also to their own demise), I know when I started the game and played windows I basically climbed MMR super quickly and ended up getting welp, high MMR top tier killers. Maybe if windows wasn't a thing or very different I would have just get 2 tapped in chase and stay in low MMR idk.

Originally posted by Plz Don't Tunnel Me:

Windows is easily one of the best survivor perks as knowing where your resources are is insanely useful. It's not just for new players. Some pallets/windows are fixed but most are RNG and you also don't know what's been used. You can use it to maximize holding W, chain tile after tile, avoid deadzones, and you can see where chase is by pallets being dropped. This idea that it's just a noob perk is ridiculous.

For sure, it's nice and experienced player can ofc benefit from it, I totally agree with the what's been used part but I also feel like bond is just way stronger overall. You can deduce pretty quickly what RNG it is, and with bond you can almost always deduce with great accuracy where the current chases are, thus where the resources are probably running low but that's another discussion.

I am not saying it's a noob perk, you will see even comp SWF in scenarios with limitations have one guy run windows of opportunity to callout with greater accuracies the resources to their teammates. I am arguing it allows for a ton of players to have a higher MMR than they should have.

Originally posted by Meat Shield :):

Any means necessary? play swf? expecting randos not to run certain perks or straight up deleting a perk because you feel its not worth it, is wild. People will always run something you may not like. Game developers can't appease everyone (unfortunately) and they're not going to get rid of windows.

Honestly, "Delete windows of opportunity" is more of a lazy title because I didn't have a better idea on the spot to frame the subject concisely. I am not against a rework or just another way to still make such a perk exists but without as much potential to be a crutch, maybe make it's distance shorter so you only see when you are near the loop if the pallet is still up instead of going to the pallet and nothing end up being here and be dead instead of seeing all the pallets in a kilometer radius.

Originally posted by Meat Shield :):

Again, playing swf would solve this simple issue if its such a problem with your game-play. If it doesn't, then I wish you the best of luck in your gaming. Hope your matches get better.

I play a lot of duo/trio/full SWF and sure this problem becomes basically non existent. I don't mind having bad matches but I think it makes it less interesting for everyone involved, including the one throwing since he's clearly with higher hours teammates.

This post could have been called "fix your MMR BHVR bruh" but my angle was that maybe, just maybe changing / removing Windows would overall raise / force the survs to play better. I know for me at least when I played windows it quickly became limiting.

In retrospect since this game is seen as casual, it's also possible removing windows will not end up doing anything, I think the current windows was changed patch 5.3.0 in 2021, I wasn't playing DBD that much if at all before 2021 so for me windows has always been like that. I basically started to play more just after windows was buffed so idk how it was before ngl.

[Persica]

I probably should rewrite the post, it's true it does come as entitled and doesn't convey what I wanted to say well now that I look at it but it would also be weird with the current already posted answers so I will just let it as is for now I think.

[VillainActual]

When I think I want to learn to loop.... I bust out WoO, that lasts about a game or 2 when I remember that is not my skill set, and put my healing others stuff back on

[🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴]

just do gens faster than they can use resources. easy. and windows is good no matter what your skill level is unless your team is doing call outs. just because you know where all the pallets/vaults are doesn't mean they're gonna be there a few minutes into the game.

[Rescultir]

Originally posted by Persica:

If you can't play correctly without windows, you shouldn't be in high MMR, stay in low MMR until you get better.

You seem to think they have some kind of control over where MMR places them, they don't. Now if they were queuing into a rank match I could see your point but that doesn't exist. I think the fact that you're getting placed with these bad players only shows that the more skilled players are leaving which is going to be a problem at some point. Assuming you're not a bad player yourself, that is.

As for the removal of the perk, I disagree. You could delete so many other perks that aren't even helpful in the slightest over the one that is designed to help newer players. These players won't stay new for long either as they get better at the game over time to which they'd eventually come to the steam discussions like you are and complain about the same thing thus the cycle continues.

I'd make the argument that the perk is probably better for you as a solo player (being solo myself) so you know where the killer is when a pallet goes down and what pallets have/haven't been used. The only time it wouldn't be good is pallet Freddy.
My worst enemy -_-

[VeilStrider]

I play on both console and PC, am a bit forced to run Windows on console. Kinda hard to play with gamepad without it.

On PC of course I never arm that perk.

I vote no, don't abolish it.

[oecrophy [BOT]]

phuw. tbh, u got a valid point there – bad ressource usage (pallets etc.).. and yipp, windows can def cause ppl to just run around the map and burn everything yellow they see – but honestly, I also see tons of ppl (especially without windows) panic-drop pallets super early and turn the map into a deadzone within like 30 seconds.

and like.. what ur saying kinda applies to sooo many perks.
inexperienced players are just lost without distortion,
lost without bamboozle cuz they got no clue how to play around window tiles,
lost without background player,
lost without nowhere to hide,
lost without any sprint perk cuz they got bad positioning and can’t get out,
lost without deadlock or bbq – not even just for time efficiency but also for basic gamesense stuff like “which gen’s the next furthest?” yada yada.

u can go through basically every perk and find ppl who are helpless without it.

me? got 9k hrs here and I still love running windows.
I know all the tiles, I know where stuff spawns –
but there are just maps where RNG screws you and u end up with literal dead zones in certain directions.
and since I mostly play SOLOQ, it’s actually super useful to see what gets used – even across floors or with line-of-sight blocked.

you instantly know when and where paletts go down, (trough walls) and more importantly, when someone might be out of ressources, so you can maybe go for a block or a clutch flashy save.

everything else u said? not really a windows problem –
it’s just straight up bad players being bad.
like,... some ppl with windows burn the map fast and tunnelvision the yellow aura,
but you also get ppl who do sabo plays next to hook and then flop there,
or chase the killer with a flashlight the entire match without getting a single save, just to go insta-down,
or 2 dudes sitting in basement with weaving spider and then handing the killer 2 free hooks.

people without gamesense throw the game – with or without windows.

edit:

Straight up: In a full SWF you don’t need Windows at all. If the calls are on point, people say which pallets are gone, what’s still up, what paletts got left on purpose – where they need a bodyblock.. and you can trust your team to actually use resources smart (and not just panic-throw everything), then you won’t end up with a dead zone every five steps. There’s way stronger perks out there, like Shoulder of Burden – another one of those that hits hard in SWF but does pretty much nothing in SoloQ… like, hi insta-unhooks.

Nerfing or changing Windows would literally just hurt SoloQ – SWFs wouldn’t care at all

[Pixie Stix ★]

Originally posted by oecrophy BOT:

people without gamesense throw the game – with or without windows.

This applies to ALL perks and their users.
It is not the perk, only the people who don't use them properly.
How do they learn unless there is trial and error?

[oecrophy [BOT]]

Originally posted by Pixie Stix ★:

Originally posted by oecrophy BOT:

people without gamesense throw the game – with or without windows.

This applies to ALL perks and their users.
It is not the perk only the people who don't use them properly.
How do they learn unless there is trial and error?

Not at all, you have to make mistakes. That’s part of it. After every round, you can ask yourself: how could I have played better? And that’s exactly why Windows is good – even for new players to develop some map knowledge and learn the structures and the tight tiles. So… I don’t really get the problem with Windows from the thread starter. Sure, it can be frustrating if a WoO player shreds all your resources right away. But overall, most maps still have enough to work with. And as I said, in my opinion, it’s not just a crutch perk only for beginners.

[KolyaSmirno.]

is that the perk that highlights the pallets and window vaults? hardly used it tbh,too bright and eye hurting plus it kinda loses the thrill of chase but its a good perk for console.

[Tommy]

Trying to play killer more and I see why it's annoying - it makes it way easier to see broken set ups. That said I think it's great for helping casual players and the map setup is to blame not the perk.

[kawaii bats]

Originally posted by Matcha Mama Bear ツ:

No offense but NO to the arrogant OP. This game is not all about YOU! I don't even use the perk, but that perk is so helpful to so many, both new and older players alike, and it's just outrageously ridiculous that you would even suggest or post this to begin with in my opinion. You must be farming Clown awards, but I'm not biting. And in all honesty, you sound more like a Killer main to me rather than a Survivor main as you claim, just saying.