Sadako's rework is a failure and will remain D tier, Maybe even F tier

[Dan brDorman]

Yet again, The devs keep looking at statistics instead of realizing the actual flaws with the killers.

Sadako's Current iteration is her Condemn being very non threatening and resulted in a condemn playstyle which is very unfun to survivors but the only thing that helped her stay relevant in high ranks.

There are some good changes that they gave her during the PTB, But the other changes they gave made those other changes completely null and void.

Removing Condemn buildup when holding tape, protected by her teleport condemn stacking and being able to put the tape in any TV just made it completely irrelevant due to how easy it is to avoid and get rid of and well and REWARDING THEM for doing so without risk.

Sure, you gain a condemn stack if you get hit while holding a tape, but with the removal of condemn gain on picking up a tape, And the fact you can put a tape in a TV right on her face still made it pointless.

Add-on changes also doesn't help, Nerfing an add-on that extended her invisibility, which helps her in mindgames, And turning one of her iridescent into literally just making survivors only able to put tapes in the furthest TV, WHICH IS ALREADY BASEKIT IN HER CURRENT STATE.

It's obvious she will get some changes before mid chapter, but given how absolutely afraid the devs are at making God forbid a A tier killer, They will probably slap some bandaid changes like slightly reduced TV time and so forth, Because all those Survivors currently playing Nicolas Cage and screwing around are skewing the Data and they will assume her rework was a success.

[AsianGirlLover]

Yup, in their attempt to fix an issue, they made it worse. Now you can’t get a survivor fully condemned unless you’re actively working towards that goal.

What does “actively working towards that goal” entail? Slugging survivors with Ring Drawing, tunneling survivors off hook and preventing them from depositing tapes, and generally playing in the most boring way possible.

Sadako is going to be EVEN WEAKER if this patch goes live. Hopefully they increase the risk/reward for holding onto a tape, because right now there’s no reason not for all 4 survivors to grab tapes ASAP.

[SirMisterDredge]

Yeah, her rework sucks

[Dan brDorman]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Yup, in their attempt to fix an issue, they made it worse. Now you can’t get a survivor fully condemned unless you’re actively working towards that goal.

What does “actively working towards that goal” entail? Slugging survivors with Ring Drawing, tunneling survivors off hook and preventing them from depositing tapes, and generally playing in the most boring way possible.

Sadako is going to be EVEN WEAKER if this patch goes live. Hopefully they increase the risk/reward for holding onto a tape, because right now there’s no reason not for all 4 survivors to grab tapes ASAP.

Don't count on that, Their balance team are really incompetent, By the fact that Alchemist ring for blight STILL Haven't being changed despite the fact the add-on is Overpowered on a S tier killer.

Not to mention, They tried to get rid of condemn playstyle, Only to essentially add it to basekit, Since you only need to hit survivors with tapes to build it, you can keep slugging and always down them to keep stacking or let them bleedout.

it will probably be like 2 more years before we are getting extra changes and they will be as pointless as this one.

[Paulo Ramos]

Sadako is not a D tier specially with her 60% kill rate. She has a strong build with her condem but the rest of her builds are more weak so this rework will fix this.
About blight: It is not about balance but the fact that sadako has less good builds then blight .

[Dan brDorman]

Originally posted by Paulo Ramos:

Sadako is not a D tier specially with her 60% kill rate. She has a strong build with her condem but the rest of her builds are more weak so this rework will fix this.
About blight: It is not about balance but the fact that sadako has less good builds then blight .

You are using the Infograph as an excuse for her 60% killrate, and yet the nurse, who by the community is dubbed the S tier killer, has the lowest killrate.

The infograph is a bunch of bull****.

The only reason she has this high is because her mechanic isn't explained well besides some tips in the loading screen that don't give enough information.

New survivors are easily stomped by her because they don't know her well, But the moment they do, She easily becomes one of the worst killer in the game.

Said rework does nothing but make the issue worse, by making it stronger against newbie survivors and also much weaker against High rank players.

Never use the infograph as a reference, It's a joke and a lame excuse to any argument when it comes to balancing.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Paulo Ramos:

Sadako is not a D tier specially with her 60% kill rate. She has a strong build with her condem but the rest of her builds are more weak so this rework will fix this.
About blight: It is not about balance but the fact that sadako has less good builds then blight .

The rework is a nerf to her other playstyles though...

They nerfed her one addon that was useful outside of trying to get condemn stacks up.

Have you seen the fishing net? Survivors with 4 stacks of condemn get blindness... Wow, what a great addon!

Edit: on the topic of her kill rate, I wouldn't be surprised if it even goes up since the new version of Sadako will be even more punishing against players who don't know how to play against her.

[AsianGirlLover]

Honestly, if they want survivors to hold onto tapes to avoid condemned, there needs to be more of a consequence for that.

Ex.
Basekit Huntress Lullaby, Basekit Fearmonger, Basekit Blood Echo… SOMETHING to make holding a tape to avoid condemned a risky option. The tape is cursed - it should curse you and make your life difficult the longer you hold it.

OR, bring back gaining a stack for taking out a tape as well as passive condemned buildup.

[Deathstar]

Her buffs are actually nerfs lmao

[Toxic_989]

they're not going to make her f tier just because shes weak in the ptb, let them fix whatever the problems are and then go "THEY MADE HER AN F TIER" because this isn't final. y'all always do this during the ptb, its a public TEST build. its to test what works and what doesn't work.

[Dan brDorman]

Originally posted by Toxic_989:

they're not going to make her f tier just because shes weak in the ptb, let them fix whatever the problems are and then go "THEY MADE HER AN F TIER" because this isn't final. y'all always do this during the ptb, its a public TEST build. its to test what works and what doesn't work.

What makes you so sure they are gonna buff or that the buffs they will give willl actually solve her core problems? Behavior has shown time and time again to be out of touch with the community when it comes to balancing.

[Silamon]

They will look at the numbers from the ptb, say "hey it looks like Sadako is winning a lot more games now, good rework guys ship it" without realizing why.

Just like how they looked at Billy's most popular addons and thought "wow everyone is using these it must be too strong lets nerf". At least for Billy there were enough players that liked Billy that there was a back lash strong enough to get the devs to reconsider, I'm not sure that will be the same for Sadako...

Suffice to say from what I can see everything about Sadako's rework is just terrible. I still can't believe they are removing base kit from Sadako and making it an iri addon... getting rid of what was one of her best addons.

And the blindness at 4 stacks of condemned is the biggest joke I've seen in a while. It's on par with Pyramid head's longer killer instinct addons... Just useless that no one will ever actually get much out of.

[Toxic_989]

Originally posted by Dan brDorman:

Originally posted by Toxic_989:

they're not going to make her f tier just because shes weak in the ptb, let them fix whatever the problems are and then go "THEY MADE HER AN F TIER" because this isn't final. y'all always do this during the ptb, its a public TEST build. its to test what works and what doesn't work.

What makes you so sure they are gonna buff or that the buffs they will give willl actually solve her core problems? Behavior has shown time and time again to be out of touch with the community when it comes to balancing.

they have done it before. would be a pointless ptb if they didn't use the criticisms and fixed the problems like they've done for call of brine and overcharge, or the never ending endurance effects and many more. literally check any log they will mention some of the problems in the ptb and how they're going to fix said problems.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Toxic_989:

Originally posted by Dan brDorman:

What makes you so sure they are gonna buff or that the buffs they will give willl actually solve her core problems? Behavior has shown time and time again to be out of touch with the community when it comes to balancing.

they have done it before. would be a pointless ptb if they didn't use the criticisms and fixed the problems like they've done for call of brine and overcharge, or the never ending endurance effects and many more. literally check any log they will mention some of the problems in the ptb and how they're going to fix said problems.

CoB and Overcharge got gutted quite a while after the ptb that tested their changes, and frankly they got hit harder than they should have.

IMO they should have just made them not stack, or add a cap to regression speed. Instead the perks are now borderline useless.

Not really a good example of them using ptb to fix broken things before going to live...

[Toxic_989]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by Toxic_989:

they have done it before. would be a pointless ptb if they didn't use the criticisms and fixed the problems like they've done for call of brine and overcharge, or the never ending endurance effects and many more. literally check any log they will mention some of the problems in the ptb and how they're going to fix said problems.

CoB and Overcharge got gutted quite a while after the ptb that tested their changes, and frankly they got hit harder than they should have.

IMO they should have just made them not stack, or add a cap to regression speed. Instead the perks are now borderline useless.

Not really a good example of them using ptb to fix broken things before going to live...

they work just fine, overcharge didn't do anything before the patch, all it did was make it so when you work on a previously kicked gen you'll get a hard skill check and progress loss. they added the additional regression speed so they didn't nerf overcharge they buffed it. they nerfed the additional regression speed. they nerfed call of brine because if you combined it with the before nerfed overcharge that thing would melt gen progression.

[Dan brDorman]

Originally posted by Toxic_989:

Originally posted by Dan brDorman:

What makes you so sure they are gonna buff or that the buffs they will give willl actually solve her core problems? Behavior has shown time and time again to be out of touch with the community when it comes to balancing.

they have done it before. would be a pointless ptb if they didn't use the criticisms and fixed the problems like they've done for call of brine and overcharge, or the never ending endurance effects and many more. literally check any log they will mention some of the problems in the ptb and how they're going to fix said problems.

The PTB Is mainly an excuse to get free QA testing from the community. Don't take their word for it.

rather than change anything in the game in a meaningful way, they'd rather add small pitiful buffs to existing perks that nobody uses or add changes that they said were meant to buff to instead have it nerfed, Just take a look at Hangman's new change, Turned from an already bad perk to even worse.