I love how people are complaining about ussylis abusing this bug or tech?

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https://youtu.be/n00l0_EicUs?t=1011

Yet no ones complain about otzdarva and a lot of other content creators abusing the autohaven tractor bug.

https://twitter.com/The_Farmer_John/status/1231735086409756673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.deadbydaylight.com%2Fen%2Fdiscussion%2Fcomment%2F1128466

And before you come here saying "It iSn't bAnNaBle ThAT's The HaRvEsTer TecH"

The harvester tech is the one from coldwind, this is autohaven and devs never said if this is intended or not.

[SpellCast]

Why are people still complaining about bug abusing in dbd? Did they forget what game they're playing?
Usually, if a bug favors killers, it's considered okay because of the "killers are weak no matter what and every unintended overpowered mechanic is okay to use" mentality, that's why nobody is complaining about the crane exploit (I always called it crane btw).

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Originally posted by KEKW:

Why are people still complaining about bug abusing in dbd? Did they forget what game they're playing?
Usually, if a bug favors killers, it's considered okay because of the "killers are weak no matter what and every unintended overpowered mechanic is okay to use" mentality, that's why nobody is complaining about the crane exploit (I always called it crane btw).

Exactly lol

[Adeloo]

i mean that the kind of bug "exploit" that requires skill and good timing to do so i don't have any problem with it. Not like the old sabo vacuum back in the days.

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Originally posted by Adeloo:

i mean that the kind of bug "exploit" that requires skill and good timing to do so i don't have any problem with it. Not like the old sabo vacuum back in the days.

Swing trough some wheels = skills

[SpellCast]

Originally posted by ＰＩＰ３:

Originally posted by Adeloo:

i mean that the kind of bug "exploit" that requires skill and good timing to do so i don't have any problem with it. Not like the old sabo vacuum back in the days.

Swing trough some wheels = skills

And good timing*

[lexilogo]

Not seeing much of a controversy here? Maybe something's happening on Twitter I'm unaware of but the likes/dislike ratio doesn't seem bad and I don't see much complaining about it in the comments section. (16:54 is when he performs the exploit, by the way)


Anyway, one important thing you should probably understand is optics/reputation.

I don't know specifically about The Farmer John, but Otzdarva as someone else you namedropped is mostly a pretty respectful player from what I've seen. He has moments of anger like anyone else and while I've seen some trashtalk come from him, it's usually pretty damn tame and rarely ever makes it into postgame chat.

I don't watch Ussylis all too much, but from what I have seen of him I really do not like his personality. Titling a return video after a 3-week break "Return of the Survivor God" is already a bit much, but from what I've seen in his videos he consistently insults the killers he versuses both when they do badly and especially when they make good plays.

I can see the appeal to jokey, trollish playstyles and even watch YTers who do that kind of thing in other games myself, but not when they make it personal and start going off on their opponent because they saw through a very obvious Decisive Strike ploy, for example.


If someone has a reputation as a jackass, then they won't get much goodwill or benefit of the doubt from people who hear about them using exploits- It also doesn't help if you perform an exploit specifically just because it'll look cool, as opposed to just playing the game.


It also doesn't help that while the Autohaven tech is a debatable issue, who on earth would argue that the item tech is an intended feature of the game? I don't think it's a particularly egregious offense either, but it's definitely not an "acceptable exploit" while Autohaven has room for debate.


I don't think it's a big deal, but that's probably why there's any controversy about this, if I had to guess. If a levelheaded Survivor main with a good reputation pulled off the same thing (one or two quite probably have and I'm just not aware) there'd probably be no controversy.

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Originally posted by lexilogo:

Not seeing much of a controversy here? Maybe something's happening on Twitter I'm unaware of but the likes/dislike ratio doesn't seem bad and I don't see much complaining about it in the comments section. (16:54 is when he performs the exploit, by the way)


Anyway, one important thing you should probably understand is optics/reputation.

I don't know specifically about The Farmer John, but Otzdarva as someone else you namedropped is mostly a pretty respectful player from what I've seen. He has moments of anger like anyone else and while I've seen some trashtalk come from him, it's usually pretty damn tame and rarely ever makes it into postgame chat.

I don't watch Ussylis all too much, but from what I have seen of him I really do not like his personality. Titling a return video after a 3-week break "Return of the Survivor God" is already a bit much, but from what I've seen in his videos he consistently insults the killers he versuses both when they do badly and especially when they make good plays.

I can see the appeal to jokey, trollish playstyles and even watch YTers who do that kind of thing in other games myself, but not when they make it personal and start going off on their opponent because they saw through a very obvious Decisive Strike ploy, for example.


If someone has a reputation as a jackass, then they won't get much goodwill or benefit of the doubt from people who hear about them using exploits- It also doesn't help if you perform an exploit specifically just because it'll look cool, as opposed to just playing the game.


It also doesn't help that while the Autohaven tech is a debatable issue, who on earth would argue that the item tech is an intended feature of the game? I don't think it's a particularly egregious offense either but it's definitely not an "acceptable exploit" while Autohaven has room for debate.

No tech in this game should be allowed, that's just an excuse for allow exploits in-game

[Adeloo]

Originally posted by ＰＩＰ３:

Originally posted by Adeloo:

i mean that the kind of bug "exploit" that requires skill and good timing to do so i don't have any problem with it. Not like the old sabo vacuum back in the days.

Swing trough some wheels = skills

well yeah i spend an entire endgame trying to do the crane one and didn't manage to do it at all.

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Originally posted by Adeloo:

Originally posted by ＰＩＰ３:

Swing trough some wheels = skills

well yeah i spend an entire endgame trying to do the crane one and didn't manage to do it at all.

I did it once and it was ez asf, you should hug the crane press a and then swing.

skill btw

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Yeah, these are the people that have inspired me to basement camp. They are VERY influential.

I suspect more than half of the "camper tunneler" complaints come from people who think they are clever with this ♥♥♥♥, but have the manual dexterity of a 4 yr old, and pay the ultimate price...

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Originally posted by AmsterdamHeavy:

Yeah, these are the people that have inspired me to basement camp. They are VERY influential.

I suspect more than half of the "camper tunneler" complaints come from people who think they are clever with this ♥♥♥♥, but have the manual dexterity of a 4 yr old, and pay the ultimate price...

:thumbspoop:

k

[lexilogo]

Originally posted by ＰＩＰ３:

No tech in this game should be allowed, that's just an excuse for allow exploits in-game

I don't think the Coldwind/Autohaven tech should be a thing, but to say "no exploits" is pretty simplistic.

For example, Pig can use RBTs to reposition downed Survivors, and potentially you can use this to deny Survivor teams a pallet save. Is that an exploit?

Or how Trapper, if you place Bear Traps very well, can deny a Survivor a Decisive Strike by having them fall into a trap upon getting free. How about that one?

Or Survivors gentapping to make gen repairs silent or more famously to avoid old Ruin skillchecks. Is that an exploit?


These are rhetorical questions but it's mostly to say that what is and isn't an exploit can often be debated until the cows come home. In the case of the item glitch, Autohaven and Coldwind, yeah, I'd vote to patch them, but there's a pretty significant grey area between "clever use of game mechanics" and "unacceptable exploit".

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Originally posted by lexilogo:

Originally posted by ＰＩＰ３:

No tech in this game should be allowed, that's just an excuse for allow exploits in-game

I don't think the Coldwind/Autohaven tech should be a thing, but to say "no exploits" is pretty simplistic.

For example, Pig can use RBTs to reposition downed Survivors, and potentially you can use this to deny Survivor teams a pallet save. Is that an exploit?

Or how Trapper, if you place Bear Traps very well, can deny a Survivor a Decisive Strike by having them fall into a trap upon getting free. How about that one?

Or Survivors gentapping to make gen repairs silent or more famously to avoid old Ruin skillchecks. Is that an exploit?


These are rhetorical questions but it's mostly to say that what is and isn't an exploit can often be debated until the cows come home. In the case of the item glitch, Autohaven and Coldwind, yeah, I'd vote to patch them, but there's a pretty significant grey area between "clever use of game mechanics" and "unacceptable exploit".

The thing is those doesn't break the game.

This one isn't intended, and unintended thing that get abused are considered an exploit.

[✪ Sgt. Spiers [51st] ✪]

Tractorr "glitch" , "bug" was added by the devs

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Originally posted by ✪ Sgt. Spiers 51st ✪:

Tractorr "glitch" , "bug" was added by the devs

It never was intended, the only intended one is the harvester (the one from coldwind)