Nemesis and The Legion

[WRussoW]

Why everyone complain about it when you just need to drop a pallet a little bit earlier?

[Lynfinity]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rilgar55:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lost and Damned:

Doesnt work on DS

I think it works any time someone becomes the new obsesion by any means, will get nerfed if so

Except that the perk's description clearly states that a survivor becomes the obsession after stunning you with either a flashlight, a pallet or a locker (Head On).

[21's bitch]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rilgar55:

I think it works any time someone becomes the new obsesion by any means, will get nerfed if so

Except that the perk's description clearly states that a survivor becomes the obsession after stunning you with either a flashlight, a pallet or a locker (Head On).

"Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession...blablabla"

So, as i said, it works on DS.

[Lynfinity]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hitz:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

Except that the perk's description clearly states that a survivor becomes the obsession after stunning you with either a flashlight, a pallet or a locker (Head On).

"Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession...blablabla"

So, as i said, it works on DS.

"Anytime" there means "Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession after stunning you with a flashlight, a pallet or a locker...".

Didn't know it was that hard to understand, but whatever.

[Rilgar55]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rilgar55:

I think it works any time someone becomes the new obsesion by any means, will get nerfed if so

Except that the perk's description clearly states that a survivor becomes the obsession after stunning you with either a flashlight, a pallet or a locker (Head On).

Yeah but other perks make you the obsession so it could activate there too, but aparently it doesnt

[21's bitch]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hitz:

"Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession...blablabla"

So, as i said, it works on DS.

"Anytime" there means "Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession after stunning you with a flashlight, a pallet or a locker...".

Didn't know it was that hard to understand, but whatever.

Maybe you're just blind, but i just read the perk and i quoted exactly what it said, it does not include the restrictions in the same sentence.

It simply says "This, this, this will make a new survivor be the obsession" just like Furtive Chase, then says "Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession...blablabla".

[☩FREDDY96☩]

Og mom rewarded survivors when the killer was playing good.
Nemesis legion reward the killer when survivors play good.
If one of the two its fine than the other should too.

Gonna try blinding mending to mouse wheel down or to my guitar pedal.

[Lynfinity]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hitz:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

"Anytime" there means "Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession after stunning you with a flashlight, a pallet or a locker...".

Didn't know it was that hard to understand, but whatever.

Maybe you're just blind, but i just read the perk and i quoted exactly what it said, it does not include the restrictions in the same sentence.

It simply says "This, this, this will make a new survivor be the obsession" just like Furtive Chase, then says "Anytime a new Survivor becomes the Obsession...blablabla".

I am blind because I understand how this perk works? M'kay.

Some people already tested it and it doesn't work with DS, Furtive Chase, etc. But if you still don't believe anyone - I can easily accompany you in KYF so you can see it for yourself, no big deal.

[21's bitch]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yodel Daddy:

I am blind because I understand how this perk works? M'kay.

Some people already tested it and it doesn't work with DS, Furtive Chase, etc. But if you still don't believe anyone - I can easily accompany you in KYF so you can see it for yourself, no big deal.

I don't doubt what you're saying.

I simply quoted what the perk says and logically, it should work ANYTIME (exactly as the perk says) a new survivor becomes the obsession, without being passive-agressive.

[WRussoW]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Entity's Bish:

Og mom rewarded survivors when the killer was playing good.
Nemesis legion reward the killer when survivors play good.
If one of the two its fine than the other should too.

Gonna try blinding mending to mouse wheel down or to my guitar pedal.

MoM used to just give survivors a free hit, it didn't reward or punish anyone in terms of gameplay, let's be real. You equipped the perk and had an extra life, that's it.
However, Nemesis punishes survivors who do not know how to play against it. It has a counterplay so you can't say survivors are "good" when they refuse to adapt and play as if it was Spirit Fury + Enduring combo.

[☩FREDDY96☩]

Oprindeligt skrevet af WRussoW:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Entity's Bish:

Og mom rewarded survivors when the killer was playing good.
Nemesis legion reward the killer when survivors play good.
If one of the two its fine than the other should too.

Gonna try blinding mending to mouse wheel down or to my guitar pedal.

MoM used to just give survivors a free hit, it didn't reward or punish anyone in terms of gameplay, let's be real. You equipped the perk and had an extra life, that's it.
However, Nemesis punishes survivors who do not know how to play against it. It has a counterplay so you can't say survivors are "good" when they refuse to adapt and play as if it was Spirit Fury + Enduring combo.

Mom was a reward for being hit by the killer multiple times, indeed m2 hits didn't trigger it.
Nemesis doesn't punish anyone it gives the killer a lazy down without any effort at all.
I understood and agreed with many of your spirit defense, but this one is absolutely unhealthy and irrational.

[WRussoW]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Entity's Bish:

Oprindeligt skrevet af WRussoW:

MoM used to just give survivors a free hit, it didn't reward or punish anyone in terms of gameplay, let's be real. You equipped the perk and had an extra life, that's it.
However, Nemesis punishes survivors who do not know how to play against it. It has a counterplay so you can't say survivors are "good" when they refuse to adapt and play as if it was Spirit Fury + Enduring combo.

Mom was a reward for being hit by the killer multiple times, indeed m2 hits didn't trigger it.
Nemesis doesn't punish anyone it gives the killer a lazy down without any effort at all.
I understood and agreed with many of your spirit defense, but this one is absolutely unhealthy and irrational.

I mean, yeah, you could hit someone with an M2 attack to prevent MoM from gaining tokens but, I believe, only the Hillbilly could often effectively use his power in chase to down people like that.
I'm not defending it. I totally agree with it being unfunny playstyle for both parties, it surely needs to be reworked in one way or another because downing people like that isn't okay.
I just do not agree with headlines like "OMG OLD LEGION IS BACK!!!" cuz the issue with the old Legion was that they didn't have any way to be outplayed once they found you. Right now if the Legion equips Nemesis, you're playing against the Spirit Fury + Enduring combo for a whole match. The only difference is that the combo does have a cooldown and Nemesis doesn't have one.

[Scooby Doo]

On the other hand, if they do decide to nerf Legion with Nemesis it would be depressing because with the new changes the amount of perks that compliment and/or benefit from Legion's power would be significantly reduced which is, considering how weak Feral Frenzy is, a bad thing.
Almost every Killer can find an interesting perk with the release of the new chapter (almost). For instance, if I understand correctly, the Plague can start celebrating as the with the new perk from the Oni, the Bood Echo, she can keep people exhausted most of the time. And Legion are like the kids who are always overlooked when Santa gives away presents.

[BigMcLargeHuge]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rilgar55:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lost and Damned:

Doesnt work on DS

I think it works any time someone becomes the new obsesion by any means, will get nerfed if so

It only works if they become the obsession by nemesis ability, if they becomes obsession by any other means such as decisive, furtive chase and so on. It wont work. The oblivious is only applied when you hit the killer with the pallet or flashlight stun. Not when you become the obsession.

[Slamadam]

i mean, you can just run beast of prey and get the same effect no matter what nemesis does as soon as you hit bl1

[Keyrala]

You guys complaining about legion with nemesis? what about any killer + rancor?

According to devs, some time ago (dunno if they changed it) changing obsession will still keep the target affected by rancor so in endgame you can be able to oneshot+mori everybody.

Basically built in NOED that you can't cleanse, would work wounders with blood warden LOL