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rat

16 stycznia 2021 o 21:43

Not fun?

I recently posted a review about DOOM (2016) talking about how the game is just amazing in almost every way but it just doesn't feel fun for me. I wanted to see if anyone else had a similar experience whether you played previous ones or are new to the franchise.

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You're not alone, I definitely think something is missing from Doom 2016 that keeps it from becoming the classic that the original Doom was, but I can't put my finger on it. It's really bothering me because Doom 2016 does so many things well and ostensibly is exactly what I want a first person shooter to be. Lots of weapons, check. Secret hunting, check. Run and gun gameplay, check. Remixed and reimagined soundtrack based on the original Doom tracks, check. But something about it is still off. I can think of a few possibilities.

1. Disappearing enemies. One of the inevitable and unfortunate limitations to modern game optimization is you don't often get permanent corpses. While it was satisfying to leave a sea of corpses in your wake, it also had the advantage of letting you know where you'd been in the map. I found myself needlessly circling some levels because there's no sign of combat except walls and floors painted in blood.

2. Glory kills. This one definitely seems like the weakest part of the game as it requires no effort or skill, and despite the variety of glory kills you can do there is no tactical difference. It's just a brief interruption to all the shooting you could be doing. Beyond the inconvenience, it really cheapens the combat. While it may seem pretty badass to rip the heart of a mancubus out of his chest and feed it to him, it just looks too effortless to be satisfying. It makes you wonder how it took so many bullets to bring down an enemy that breaks as easily as a Cadbury egg.

3. Weapons. Something's not right with the weapons. They're mostly the same as the original, but they don't feel the same. The original pistol is gone and the shotgun doesn't look anything like a shotgun so it's hard to gauge how powerful it's supposed to be. The rocket launcher is really disappointing, it's weak and has a pretty pathetic blast radius. The plasma rifle is definitely not the powerhouse it used to be. And the chainsaw is just beyond cheap. Even though it has limited uses, what fun is a weapon that just one hit kills any enemy and refills all of your ammo? Same with the berserk powerup, everything dies in one hit and that's boring.

4. Arena combat. Definitely not like the original which was more of a run through the gauntlet. Yes the original Doom also had teleporting enemies but it never locked you in a room until the game decided you were done. Aside from looking for secrets, that's mostly what I do in the game now. It's just not that fun and doesn't bring the omnipresent threat of a demon sneaking up behind you.

There's also a lot of minor things I have issues with, like some of the enemy designs. I don't like what they did with the pink demon and the cyber mancubus looks like an obese nerd wearing VR gear. The sound effects are not as iconic, and it's hard to tell how much damage you took as there's not really a visual or sound cue to differentiate. Whatever it is that's holding the game back, It drives me crazy because new Doom is obviously a great game with a lot of love for the franchise behind it.

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rat

9 lutego 2021 o 19:12

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kurumi w/ Crucible:
Why are you questioning him? Its p common these days to just hate new games because they're new, and call older games better because they're old. Standard behavior, albeit lacking critical thought

nostalgia clouds judgement! Totally understand what you're saying! I am subject to nostalgia a little bit, especially regarding old Yu-Gi-Oh ports, and maybe it's happening here too. I've also considered it may just be I spent 40 hours straight on it so maybe I was just experiencing burnout

#76

Chillin

10 lutego 2021 o 3:25

Początkowo opublikowane przez Salamand3r-:
Początkowo opublikowane przez Kurumi w/ Crucible:
Why are you questioning him? Its p common these days to just hate new games because they're new, and call older games better because they're old. Standard behavior, albeit lacking critical thought

This has been my hobby on these forums for like 5 years now :D

I think I've debunked this guy before, but it's just as fun the second time.

what a sad hobby to have...you're life must really suck if you have to resort to argueing on steam fourms. and pointing out minor spelling errors. lol you aint debunked ♥♥♥♥. people have opinions..deal with it you sad little ♥♥♥♥. lmfao

#77

Chillin

10 lutego 2021 o 3:29

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kurumi w/ Crucible:
Why are you questioning him? Its p common these days to just hate new games because they're new, and call older games better because they're old. Standard behavior, albeit lacking critical thought

not all games..

#78

Salamand3r- posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 5:24

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bboy4life:
Początkowo opublikowane przez Salamand3r-:

This has been my hobby on these forums for like 5 years now :D

I think I've debunked this guy before, but it's just as fun the second time.

what a sad hobby to have...you're life must really suck if you have to resort to argueing on steam fourms. and pointing out minor spelling errors. lol you aint debunked ♥♥♥♥. people have opinions..deal with it you sad little ♥♥♥♥. lmfao

I mean, your hobby is obviously spouting nonsense. I'll take mine any day.

#79

Salamand3r- posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 5:28

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bboy4life:
Początkowo opublikowane przez Salamand3r-:

I mean, your hobby is obviously spouting nonsense. I'll take mine any day.

Only in you're idiotic mindset you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. lol

Ad hom instead of response, predictable :D

#80

Chillin

10 lutego 2021 o 5:42

Początkowo opublikowane przez Salamand3r-:
Początkowo opublikowane przez Bboy4life:

Only in you're idiotic mindset you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. lol

Ad hom instead of response, predictable :D

have the last say. iv got a life to get back to unlike someone on here. :D bye dickead. lmfao

#81

Salamand3r- posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 5:45

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bboy4life:
Początkowo opublikowane przez Salamand3r-:

Ad hom instead of response, predictable :D
have the last say. iv got a life to get back to unlike someone on here. :D bye dickead. lmfao

I'll translate that to English for you.

Have the last word. I've got a life to get back to, unlike someone else here. :D.

Bye, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! LMFAO

You're welcome!

Insults just don't have the same impact unless they make sense.

#82

Pickle Bath posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 10:14

I agree, it didn't grab me. My biggest problem was no matter how cool/well layed out/explorable the levels were, there weren't roaming enemies, so you know the pacing is going to be jumping puzzle and then big arena fight. And after enough of that the game felt repetitive. Really a shame because graphically it was nice and it ran buttery smooth and the combat felt chunky enough, but yeah, nothing amazing.

#83

The Chocobo Racer posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 10:17

Początkowo opublikowane przez Stuxnet:
I agree, it didn't grab me. My biggest problem was no matter how cool/well layed out/explorable the levels were, there weren't roaming enemies, so you know the pacing is going to be jumping puzzle and then big arena fight. And after enough of that the game felt repetitive. Really a shame because graphically it was nice and it ran buttery smooth and the combat felt chunky enough, but yeah, nothing amazing.

Well, not completely. In the foundry there are two wandering hell knights, but I think thats it lmfao

#84

FoutBallon 10 lutego 2021 o 13:10

Hi, I've played the Doom demo twice and found it utterly boring. The doom-slayer moves too slowly, the map is dull in looks and navigation, the enemies just aren't engaging, and the two starter weapons feel meek.

However, with Doom Eternal, I wish I never touched that game. Because of it, I've got a new computer and the Ancient Gods DLC on my immediate wish-list. 🥵
That is, I'm obsessed with it!

#85

The Chocobo Racer posiada DOOM

10 lutego 2021 o 13:28

Początkowo opublikowane przez FoutBallon:
Hi, I've played the Doom demo twice and found it utterly boring. The doom-slayer moves too slowly, the map is dull in looks and navigation, the enemies just aren't engaging, and the two starter weapons feel meek.

However, with Doom Eternal, I wish I never touched that game. Because of it, I've got a new computer and the Ancient Gods DLC on my immediate wish-list. 🥵
That is, I'm obsessed with it!

The two starter weapons are awful. The shotgun is only good in combination with the super shotgun or the grenade launcher mod. Doom 2016 is just closer to the "boomer shooter" that the older games were, albeit with vertical movement and combat, and larger arenas

#86

rat

10 lutego 2021 o 14:59

Początkowo opublikowane przez Stuxnet:
I agree, it didn't grab me. My biggest problem was no matter how cool/well layed out/explorable the levels were, there weren't roaming enemies, so you know the pacing is going to be jumping puzzle and then big arena fight. And after enough of that the game felt repetitive. Really a shame because graphically it was nice and it ran buttery smooth and the combat felt chunky enough, but yeah, nothing amazing.

Yeah exactly it

#87

rat

10 lutego 2021 o 15:00

Początkowo opublikowane przez FoutBallon:
Hi, I've played the Doom demo twice and found it utterly boring. The doom-slayer moves too slowly, the map is dull in looks and navigation, the enemies just aren't engaging, and the two starter weapons feel meek.

However, with Doom Eternal, I wish I never touched that game. Because of it, I've got a new computer and the Ancient Gods DLC on my immediate wish-list. 🥵
That is, I'm obsessed with it!

Looks like I'm adding eternal

#88