frustrating

[xensakura]

Came to doom 2016 from eternal and it's really frustrating to get all my health sniped by an imp, to have lack of mobility options such as dash and meathook, and to have everything be exceedingly dark that I can't see an enemy in the dark. Any tips for making this more enjoyable?

[SkepticJoker]

Your problem is that you expect this game to be exactly like Doom Eternal.

[SkepticJoker]

If you came at this game with a open mind or if you had not played Eternal first, maybe you'd be having a better experience. Don't play it like it's Doom Eternal.

[SkepticJoker]

Otherwise, you can turn up the brightness and play on easy.

[AJN Pain Olympics]

game plays more like a traditional arena shooter so just gotta get used to it

[[RKB]Il Saggio]

Originally posted by SkepticJoker:

If you came at this game with a open mind or if you had not played Eternal first, maybe you'd be having a better experience. Don't play it like it's Doom Eternal.

This should be marked as the correct answer. Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are different games. I have a sneaking suspicion that the sole reason I am still kinda bad at Eternal is that even after 700 hours I still play it too Doom 2016-like. I use the Falter system, I manage my resources, use Blood Punch, Dash and occasionally Meathook, but I still mostly play grounded. On the bright side, I am used to avoid Pinkies and Imp fireballs without Dash or Meathook.

In 2016, each single attack does more damage than in Eternal (barring a few special enemy types, Dread Knight *cough* Blood Maykr), but there are less enemies and they are slower and attack less frequently. To put it in context: A Baron of Hell can deal over 175 damage with a single leap attack, but you see it coming from a mile away, and you will only have one Imp, a Mancubus or an other Baron while dealing with the actual Baron. In Eternal, the Baron deals below 100, but you will have: a Doom Hunter, 3 Mancubi, 3 Imps, 2 Gargoyles, 2 Shield Guys, 2 Whiplashes, 2 Revenants, a Hell Knight and an Arachnotron along the Baron. A single attack deals less damage, but there are more enemies and each and every enemy can attack more frequently as well.

Learn to avoid attacks instinctually, without thinking in general, since it is less chaotic than in Eternal, but before getting health upgrades Doom 2016 is basically a 2-shot fest, which can tun into an 1-shot fest in later levels. And one more thing: Platforming KILLS. No -30 or -50 HP, one fall or hazardous environmental interaction (e.g. conveyor in Resource Operations, coolant in Argent Facility, Argent beam in Argent Tower) and you are dead. It is the same philosophy as the combat: easier, much more simple platforming sections, but with much more severe punishment upon failure.

[The Chocobo Racer]

Yeah, take it from me, I beat both games on UN, and I played D2016 a couple times before Eternal came out. I became a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ god at Eternal, but as soon as I came back to this, its a steep learning curve. After you devote some time to this game, you forget how to play eternal, and vice versa. Hell, after playing D2016 I use Remote Det a lot more in DE, even if it is kinda ass. D2016 is far more about dodging attacks early game, and late game its more about spamming siphon grenades to make sure you have infinite ammo lmao

[Dush-K]

As for this normie post
You can't compare 2016 to eternal, it's 2 very different games that have nearly nothing in common but the name DOOM in em. What are you gonna do next, cry on doom 3 forums that the game is too dark and needs a dash ability?

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originally posted by Dush-K:

Originally posted by Kurumi w/ Crucible:

Yeah, take it from me, I beat both games on UN, and I played D2016 a couple times before Eternal came out. I became a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ god at Eternal, but as soon as I came back to this, its a steep learning curve. After you devote some time to this game, you forget how to play eternal, and vice versa. Hell, after playing D2016 I use Remote Det a lot more in DE, even if it is kinda ass. D2016 is far more about dodging attacks early game, and late game its more about spamming siphon grenades to make sure you have infinite ammo lmao

Nibba you got banned on eternal forums and now you're here?
Skill issue

I got banned for insulting someone, I thought this was america

[AJN Pain Olympics]

Originally posted by Dush-K:

As for this normie post
You can't compare 2016 to eternal, it's 2 very different games that have nearly nothing in common but the name DOOM in em. What are you gonna do next, cry on doom 3 forums that the game is too dark and needs a dash ability?

Mans took this post to heart, damn

[Good Cop]

2016 is a proper demonic shooter with fluid motion, Eternal is 1st person fantasy parkour, that's pretty much it

[Good Cop]

...and Doom 3 is a survivor horror more than anything else

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originally posted by Good Cop:

2016 is a proper demonic shooter with fluid motion, Eternal is 1st person fantasy parkour, that's pretty much it

Eternal doesn't have fluid motion? I mean, it definitely has fantasy elements, but core gameplay loop is far more skillful, even near the end of the game

[Legend Z]

Lower difficulty if imps are to hard for you

[Doom Sayer]

Originally posted by Kurumi w/ Crucible:

Originally posted by Dush-K:

Nibba you got banned on eternal forums and now you're here?
Skill issue

I got banned for insulting someone, I thought this was america

Yeah I got banned from a forum on steam and decided to boycott the dev AND the publisher. I got nothing to lose man I got so many games and so many are released.

Played through Doom 2016 on max diff you can at start and it angered me but I had enough fun and beat it. Still not sure if i like it as much as Brutal Doom though. On Doom Eternal that is a really different game. I got like 20-60 minutes in and it feels completely different. Barely a sequel. Not played enough to form a real opinion but I liked Doom 2016 starting out more.

[Dush-K]

Originally posted by Doom Sayer:

Originally posted by Kurumi w/ Crucible:

I got banned for insulting someone, I thought this was america

Yeah I got banned from a forum on steam and decided to boycott the dev AND the publisher. I got nothing to lose man I got so many games and so many are released.

Played through Doom 2016 on max diff you can at start and it angered me but I had enough fun and beat it. Still not sure if i like it as much as Brutal Doom though. On Doom Eternal that is a really different game. I got like 20-60 minutes in and it feels completely different. Barely a sequel. Not played enough to form a real opinion but I liked Doom 2016 starting out more.

Doom eternal feels like a spin-off, doesn't it