Plasma Rifle concerns

[KingyWingy]

Does anyone else think the plasma rifle is too weak?

I noticed in a muliplayer video that the plasma rifle only does 8 damage. It seems like it is meant to be for Doom, the heavy machine gun from Quake Live. This is a bit dissapointing because the plasma rifle was a very powerful weapon in Doom 1 and 2. I heard it was great in Doom 3 as well but I have not played that game.

It is an odd change to make it a weak starter weapon, the same thing you see in many other shooters on consoles a go to or starter alien assualt rifle. It's so odd that the Heavy Assualt Rifle is stronger (much more so) than a PLASMA rifle. Also it is another missed oppertunity on the gore effects. They could have had nasty burn/inceneration effects, may be melt/burning a hole/s right through demons.

Maybe it will be fine when we know how it will fit into the whole of the weapon balance. But it still bothers me that a plasma gun that was very powerdful in previous games is now so weak that it seem worthless in multiplayer and a neglected weapon in the campaign.

Dear id can we maybe bump the damage to 16? At least 14 or 12?

Would be nice to have sound effects more inline with the origonal too, this iteration sounds too flat or insignificant. But maybe that is because id intends it as a weak weapon now.

[Ruego Al Alba]

What you were looking at was called a "Stun Shot." Given the name and the fact that the MP network test wasn't at all representative of the full game, it's reasonable to think that Stun Shot isn't the only firing mode for the Plasma Rifle. I think the whole Stun Shot thing is pretty unnecessary as it's more effective to just kill them than have crowd control. In MP 14 sounds reasonable since it has a very high ROF. In SP it needs to be able to do a decent amount of damage and burn off body parts.

[KingyWingy]

Is the Stun Shot the alt fire?

I was talking about the primary fire, the blue shots just as in Doom 1, 2, and 3. They only do 8 damage.

[Ruego Al Alba]

Originally posted by KingyWingy:

Is the Stun Shot the alt fire?

I was talking about the primary fire, the blue shots just as in Doom 1, 2, and 3. They only do 8 damage.

Stun Shot is the primary fire. You can see it when the DOOM Marine picks it up in the E3 footage. I think they kept that same subtext in the MP Alpha but since almost every MP Alpha viewed got pulled from YouTube and Alpha players are on a strict NDA, I can't confirm that.

[KingyWingy]

OOPs I think I made a mistake, it does 6 damage not 8. :(

https://youtu.be/tSnSJAfS5-Y?t=100

I thought I saw it do 8 in a different video though.

Also in this part https://youtu.be/tSnSJAfS5-Y?t=80 of that video is a 3 shot burst rifle that does 10 damage per shot. Does the plasma rifle even have a place in this game? :(

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by KingyWingy:

OOPs I think I made a mistake, it does 6 damage not 8. :(

https://youtu.be/tSnSJAfS5-Y?t=100

I thought I saw it do 8 in a different video though.

Also in this part https://youtu.be/tSnSJAfS5-Y?t=80 of that video is a 3 shot burst rifle that does 10 damage per shot. Does the plasma rifle even have a place in this game? :(

We probably can edit weapon damages in snapmap.Then we can change it to 50.

[KingyWingy]

Thats to high lol. But I am concerd with how the plasma gun fits into the game as a whole.

Does anyone know what a yellow damage number indicates? I just saw a piece of gameplay where the plasma rifle does 9 damage which had the number 9 being yellow.

The location based damage in this game is quite variable. Perhaps they are planning to emphasize head shots.

[Ruego Al Alba]

Originally posted by KingyWingy:

Thats to high lol. But I am concerd with how the plasma gun fits into the game as a whole.

Does anyone know what a yellow damage number indicates? I just saw a piece of gameplay where the plasma rifle does 9 damage which had the number 9 being yellow.

The location based damage in this game is quite variable. Perhaps they are planning to emphasize head shots.

Yellow damage is crits, I think.

[UnKn0wN]

plasma rifle is totally useless and ridiculous, it feels weak and pointless.
not to speak of the silly huge, total inappropriate console crosshair and the general failure of the whole MP part.
yes, I played the alpha…
just wait a few weeks and you'll experience yourself in the coming beta.

[Kaizen]

^ must reiterate what that guy said.
MP in general is complete fail, movement sucks, guns are weak, loadouts are lame, it's just a disaster.

With any luck the campaign won't be a complete and total fail also.... but I have incredibly strong doubts about that.

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by Gameo:

^ must reiterate what that guy said.
MP in general is complete fail, movement sucks, guns are weak, loadouts are lame, it's just a disaster.

With any luck the campaign won't be a complete and total fail also.... but I have incredibly strong doubts about that.

Don't worry.It will be excellent.

[Juls]

Yep, that gun needs some tweak :/