I don't have 5.1 sound effects in rear speakers.

[ForeverYoung]

For example, i don't hear monsters behind me. Another games is ok. Soundcard Creative SB X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro, Dolby Digital is turn on. SB connected to receiver by fiber. Trouble is in the game

[papalazarou]

im using sbz and i set encoder to dolby digital instead of dts and it seems to work, its output to an onkyo tx-sr876. audio is set to 24bit 96khz. i can now get 5.1

[Dr. Venkman]

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

@ discrete USB DAC u lost me.. sry pal
I remember that the most of them ends @ 24-bit/96kHz so much for that.

Btw u know that the old X-Fi´s go up to 32-Bit? Which is mostly so much important for the most than 192kHz.

And for what bugs me about ALchemy: ALchemy is for using the Hardware Acc. (EAX) in older games since Vista. But for newer games u dont need it. Also it comes with the driver packages..


I compared the ALC1150 with my X-Fi Titanium. The Realteak driver sucks ALOT the quality sounds flat the equalizer does nearly nothing. Okay the output might be okay for most users but when u make direct comparison u will simply hear the difference between this two solutions.


Roger and OUT

We aren't talking about analog outputs here dude, you got lost somewhere.

And no, X-Fis don't do 32-bit digital output.

http://www.creative.com/oem/resources/SoundCards/SB046x.pdf

32-bit DACs don't exist outside of some multi-thousand dollar studio equipment.

And about ALchemy - the OP already said it solved his problem - probably becuase Creative's decade old card was trying to encode DDL in hardware, which doesn't work after Vista.

And lastly, again, you are talking about an analog output. Using S/PDIF your Realtek will sound better, simply becuase it supports a higher sampling rate.

You will not find an audiophile, musician, or enthusiast who would recommend an internal audio device over a discrete DAC.

You know nothing about the subject matter, and your last post proved it.

Cool Story, Bro!

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

Cool Story, Bro!

The universal response of a troll who has been beaten with facts. Thanks for conceding defeat!

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by 63 (rus):

Originally posted by GB3-Darkzero:

How exactly?

Installed Creative Alchemy

I don't have Alchemy installed, but 5.1 works fine for me. Weird.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by GUAMBOMB:

Well...Guess what fellas??? I found a fix.. So, I did uninstall alchemy as I did not think that was the issue and I was constantly crashing. I ended up changing the encoder in creative settings from Dolby digital to DTS....Game launched and I immediately heard surround sound in my rear speakers!. And guess what? No crash to the desktop....

I find it odd as in windows 10 sound properties, I see DTS and cmss-3d under enhancements, but I don't see Dolby Digital. If I click between Dolby Digital and DTS in the creative launcher, it does change in my AVR OSD, so I do know that Windows 10 is detecting the Dolby Digital encoder.

Anyways, I have always been partial to Dolby Digital, but I am fine using DTS, if it's the only way to get surround sound working and not having CTD's.....Hope this was helpful

BACK TO THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you upgrade to Windows 10 or do a clean install? I no long have Creative Console Launcher, and the Audio Control Panel from latest drivers no longer has Encoder tab.

[Dr. Venkman]

You said you are dont use your card anymore because of driver problems.
I gave the tip to use costum drivers instead which are doing a very well job. And NOT EVERY onboard has spdif or does the job quite well.

But after that you started your great conversation about bits and hz to Show everyone how better you are.
Also others dont seem to have alchemy installed and they have 5.1

Obvious troll is obvious, thanks for the show. You are better than me.
*Slowly claps hands*

[Amuro0079]

OK, I didn't konw that the DDL and DTS Connect packs dated March 2010 actually supported Windows 10 until I read the supported OS list. Downloaded and Installeld them, and now I got the Encoder tab back. (just reinstalled Windows 2 days ago and was wondering where my Encoder tab went)

Anyways, 5.1 now works in this game aftter changing default format from 24 bit, 48000 to 44100 Hz, regardless of what endcoder forrmats I use, DTS or DDL.

@Salamand3r, what you have said regarding ancient drivers and cards is wrong. The drivers and software are not ancient. The latest one came out in Feb 2016. In other words, Creative is still supporting these cards.

[x537t]

I'm using onboard optical audio Realtek, rRealtek audio manager has settings for audio enhancements. I have no issues getting 5.1 on DOOM.

[shankly1985]

Originally posted by Remi:

Sound blaster Z with a 5.1 setup. Working fine here. I'm using analog connections. You're not by chance using a SPDIF(digital) connection are you? SPDIF wont work with gaming 5.1 discrete.

It will if you enable DTC connect, the Sound cards on the fly encoder.

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by GB3-Darkzero:

@Salamand3r, what you have said regarding ancient drivers and cards is wrong. The drivers and software are not ancient. The latest one came out in Feb 2016. In other words, Creative is still supporting these cards.

The Windows 10 drviers were released by Creative under duress from a large group of OEMs who wanted to attach "Compatible with Windows 10" to older systems. The are the same drivers as the 2014 release with an updated WHQL certification.

Creative, right on the download page, says that X-Fi hardware is no longer supported and no further issues will be repaired.

And @Dr.Venkman - Daniel_WK himself has said his drivers do not improve sound quality or compatibility at all. They merely fix driver crashes that Creative has never patched - because they no longer develop their X-Fi drivers. The very drivers you recommend are proof that Creative has considered these cards obsolete for years.

You are correct that not every onboard has S/PDIF - it isn't common, but there are one or two. But in cases where they do, and have a Realtek (or even Via or Creative) chipset from the last 7 years or so, they are nearly universally capable of higher quality digital output than an X-FI.

I would add that I agree that the X-Fi analog quality is better than that of many onboard solutions pre-2014, but with the recent move towards dedicated, shielded sections for audio on gaming boards, it is redundant and prone to issues.

My point is, issues with Doom and such an old sound card are a harbinger of things to come. Nothing lasts forever - imagine trying to use a CPU or GPU from 11 years ago for a modern game - would you expect that to perform flawlessly? Of course not. The older these cards get, and the more both the OS and audio middleware changes while the drivers remain the same, the greater the possibility of issues cropping up becomes.

[Dr. Venkman]

@ salamand3r
The interesting part here that the card is working flawless for me (Win10). There is not a single application not working properly except doom 2016. After switching to 44.1 it works nice even when i am using spdif. As shankly says, the Card is decoding on the fly
I found out that the same issue exists on the PS4 version (Can´t find the link anymore o.O)


And yes the 32-Bit option is some kind of driver emulation with no effects. ^^


It was a bad day for audio friends when vista cames out. Forbidding the Soundchips accurate hardware acceleration. I am not shure why they did this but this is the only reason why creative stops their support. It is still a great product and i will use it till i dies in my rig.







-- I guess we both lost the line yesterday XD -- PEACE

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

@ salamand3r
The interesting part here that the card is working flawless for me (Win10). There is not a single application not working properly except doom 2016. After switching to 44.1 it works nice even when i am using spdif. As shankly says, the Card is decoding on the fly
I found out that the same issue exists on the PS4 version (Can´t find the link anymore o.O)


And yes the 32-Bit option is some kind of driver emulation with no effects. ^^


It was a bad day for audio friends when vista cames out. Forbidding the Soundchips accurate hardware acceleration. I am not shure why they did this but this is the only reason why creative stops their support. It is still a great product and i will use it till i dies in my rig.







-- I guess we both lost the line yesterday XD -- PEACE

I'm glad you got it working, I really am!

And if you want some background on why Vista changed it - it was entirely Creative's fault sadly. Their drivers were the #1 cause of BSODs for years, and they simply refused to fix them. Microsoft literally changed the entire core of Windows audio and held gaming back for 10 years becuase of driver issues. It was a case of both sides being a bit complacent and failing to think ahead - this single change probably cost Creative more market share to onboard sound than anything else, and it was a sad day fro gamers. OpenAL and even EAX were very promising, and had they continued to evolve, they could have become incredible.

All I can say is thank goodness that both AMD and nVidia now have hardware audio solutions built into their cards and drivers now, and I hope we see them integrated into more and more games.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

@ salamand3r
The interesting part here that the card is working flawless for me (Win10). There is not a single application not working properly except doom 2016. After switching to 44.1 it works nice even when i am using spdif. As shankly says, the Card is decoding on the fly
I found out that the same issue exists on the PS4 version (Can´t find the link anymore o.O)


And yes the 32-Bit option is some kind of driver emulation with no effects. ^^


It was a bad day for audio friends when vista cames out. Forbidding the Soundchips accurate hardware acceleration. I am not shure why they did this but this is the only reason why creative stops their support. It is still a great product and i will use it till i dies in my rig.







-- I guess we both lost the line yesterday XD -- PEACE

Yeah, same. If one day this card stops working in games I'll just pick up a Zx. No reason to get rid of a card that is still working flawlessly.

@Salamand3r
The Windows 10 drivers were not the same as the old drivers. If they were then the card would have worked in Windows 10 when it was released in July last year, but it didn't until Creative released a new driver and software set on August 27.

[getagrip]

CAN ONE OF YOU PC WIZARDS PLEASE HELP ME MY ISSUE IS AND IS NOT DIRECTLY ON SUBJECT TO THIS THREAD..So please forgive me asking so much,im new to pc gaming

i have my sound set to nvidea a gtx 970 i have 6 channel on have every format supportedi will try the 24bit 41 fix after this post to seee if my doom is working in surround sound

but im not getting surround sound on anything im stuck in pcm 2.0

i have updated nvidea windows 10 and media player classic i have switched on every thing on my pc to surround every format suppported

if i play games no 5.1 if i watch dvd no 5.1 f i do a online test no 5.1 or any format supported shows on my ONKYO amp surround system

if i watch sky tv presto dd5.1 if i play a bluray on player presto 5.1

its only the pc im stuck in pcm 2.0

every app on my pc is set to surround 6 channel,everything on nvidea hd sound is set to 6 channel


yet pc is stuck in a 2 channel output mode, no matter what i try to play im fast loosing the plot here im fuming and foaming at the mouth ..

as i have mentioned il try the doom 24bit fix in a minute after posting, hiopfully il have rear speakers!!!


i can however use my onkyo fake surrounds like dts 6 and all speaker stereo,i canot however use any real surround BAR PRO LOGIC 2 witch seperates from 2 channels anyhows...


please advise,i dont want clever clogs comments THIS IS A COMUNITY NOT A ELITEST SHOW OFF,pcm 2.0 regardless of what i play or do

everything is set up for 6 channel and all formats ticked i am hdmi-ing out from a nvideo hdmi port to a onkyo

oh update yes i have downloaded ac 3 filters and instaled STILL NOTHING

[getagrip]

I don't have 5.1 sound effects in rear speakers.
For example, i don't hear monsters behind me. Another games is ok. Soundcard Creative SB X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro, Dolby Digital is turn on. SB connected to receiver by fiber. Trouble is in the game


This is confusing me as i thought pc games are pcm or lpcm ONLY