So I guess Doom 3's story is non-canon now ? *SPOILERS*

[Cato Sicarius]

By the way, this game actually has a story. Quite a decent one, with a good bit of lore. Just read the Codex. If you're expecting Mass Effect, you'll be disappointed.

With that out of the way, it turns out that you're an ancient Demigod who's several millenia old, not some Marine stationed at the facility in Mars who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, like in Doom 3. The Doom Marine is actually the Doom Slayer, who's basically the OG badass demigod who even the demons fear. All is told in the Codex entries.

Basically makes Master Chief look like a clown. I'll update my DG vs MC thread lol.

[his1roguenation]

yeah because doom is a reboot doom 3 is non-canon now

[Cato Sicarius]

Originally posted by his1roguenation:

yeah because doom is a reboot doom 3 is non-canon now

Hmmm initially I was thinking that Doom 4 is a direct sequel to Doom 1 & 2. But I guess not, being that you're an ancient warrior.

But how the hell did a guy from pre-biblical times get a suit of armor that advanced, and meant to be used with guns etc. ? Also, where's the 'Doom Slayer's' Sword, eh ? As according to the lore, the last time this guy was killing Demons, it was with a Blade, in at least pre-medieval era.

[Rootin Matootie]

All the doom games (I dunno about doom three though) are Cannon and sequels to each other. They also take place in the same universe as the commander keen, Wolfenstein, and quake games. Doomguy’s name is B.J. Blazkowicz III in cannon. After the events of Doom 64 BJ stays in Hell fighting demons for literal eons while some crazy time/space style ♥♥♥♥ happens and doom 2016. Go have a read on the wiki for Doom and Wolfenstein or google id universe. It’s a very good read.

[BlueXThunder]

Originally posted by Cato Sicarius:

Originally posted by his1roguenation:

yeah because doom is a reboot doom 3 is non-canon now

Hmmm initially I was thinking that Doom 4 is a direct sequel to Doom 1 & 2. But I guess not, being that you're an ancient warrior.

But how the hell did a guy from pre-biblical times get a suit of armor that advanced, and meant to be used with guns etc. ? Also, where's the 'Doom Slayer's' Sword, eh ? As according to the lore, the last time this guy was killing Demons, it was with a Blade, in at least pre-medieval era.

Im pretty sure that the Night Sentinals were pretty advencend in tech

[Salamand3r-]

The devs have literally said that Doom (2016) is a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom 3 was also a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom64 is not canon to the mainline series.

The whole Wolfenstein/BJ Blazkowicz crossover thing was never mentioned in game. This comes from Romero and Tom Hall, who are completely bonkers when it comes to storylines, and even they specifically state that it only applies to Wolf3D and Doom 1/2, which are not canonically connected to Doom3/Doom (2016). And Wolf's own timeline and canon are a mess, with each game aside from the current trilogy flat out contradicting the rest.

The only indication anywhere that the id games are in the same universe is Quake 3 and now Quake Champions, both of which contradict each other.

Doom 1, Doom 2, and the Doom RPG are the only ones with actual connections, and much like Trek vs JJTrek, the canon is irrelevant to the current game.

The wikis are not an official source, and even they add some of the caveats that I already mentioned.

Also, this is a two-year-old necro.

[Ikagura]

Yes and no, the Doom canon is already more or less a clusterf*ck (some theories sais that there's actually 2 Doomguys because of some sort of time and dimension travel made because of Hell)

Doom 3 is probably a self-contained story but Final Doom can also be its own canonical story (it could be considered as not canon)

Doom 64 is also semicanon (could be a conclusion to the Classic Doom serie)

In my opinion Doom classic, Doom 3 and Doom 2016 are each in their own universe

PS: I think I've seen somewhere that Doom 3 could've been a prequel to Doom 1

PPS: is Thy Flesh Consumed canon?

[BluRR]

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

The devs have literally said that Doom (2016) is a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom 3 was also a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom64 is not canon to the mainline series.

The whole Wolfenstein/BJ Blazkowicz crossover thing was never mentioned in game. This comes from Romero and Tom Hall, who are completely bonkers when it comes to storylines, and even they specifically state that it only applies to Wolf3D and Doom 1/2, which are not canonically connected to Doom3/Doom (2016). And Wolf's own timeline and canon are a mess, with each game aside from the current trilogy flat out contradicting the rest.

The only indication anywhere that the id games are in the same universe is Quake 3 and now Quake Champions, both of which contradict each other.

Doom 1, Doom 2, and the Doom RPG are the only ones with actual connections, and much like Trek vs JJTrek, the canon is irrelevant to the current game.

The wikis are not an official source, and even they add some of the caveats that I already mentioned.

Also, this is a two-year-old necro.

https://www.destructoid.com/bj-blazkowicz-is-doomguy-s-great-grandpa-485365.phtml

https://twitter.com/ThatTomHall/status/958352500431572992

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by BluRR:

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

The devs have literally said that Doom (2016) is a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom 3 was also a re-imagining of classic Doom.

Doom64 is not canon to the mainline series.

The whole Wolfenstein/BJ Blazkowicz crossover thing was never mentioned in game. This comes from Romero and Tom Hall, who are completely bonkers when it comes to storylines, and even they specifically state that it only applies to Wolf3D and Doom 1/2, which are not canonically connected to Doom3/Doom (2016). And Wolf's own timeline and canon are a mess, with each game aside from the current trilogy flat out contradicting the rest.

The only indication anywhere that the id games are in the same universe is Quake 3 and now Quake Champions, both of which contradict each other.

Doom 1, Doom 2, and the Doom RPG are the only ones with actual connections, and much like Trek vs JJTrek, the canon is irrelevant to the current game.

The wikis are not an official source, and even they add some of the caveats that I already mentioned.

Also, this is a two-year-old necro.

https://www.destructoid.com/bj-blazkowicz-is-doomguy-s-great-grandpa-485365.phtml

https://twitter.com/ThatTomHall/status/958352500431572992

I literally covered that, but if you want more details...

Tom Hall has nothing to do with Doom after the original (aside from some map designs), and the vast majority of his input on a "story" for Doom was rejected, due both to the technology of the time and Carmack's feelings on story in video games.

The Doom bible is irrelevant to the finished game, and resulted in him being fired from id, again due to Carmack's feelings on story shenanigans. A few elements were cherry picked for other Doom games, but only those specific elements are in any way canon.

If classic Doom had followed his vision, it his own words, it would have been a hybrid adventure game with puzzles and cinematics, rather than a "raw shooter".

Was this stuff Tom Hall head canon? Sure. Was it intended in the game as released? No. There's a damn reason he was fired.

You want a game where Tom Hall's head-canon matters? Play Rise of the Triad.

[Rootin Matootie]

The whole thing is a confusing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Hopefully doom eternal will clear some stuff up (though I doubt it will with doomguy in his original suit). But the quake 3 and quake champions is outside of space and time, so that champions can fight themselves. So quake has no real effect on doom/Wolfenstein canon as it could be argued that they are just different versions of the characters

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by Dr. Yeah:

The whole thing is a confusing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Hopefully doom eternal will clear some stuff up (though I doubt it will with doomguy in his original suit). But the quake 3 and quake champions is outside of space and time, so that champions can fight themselves. So quake has no real effect on doom/Wolfenstein canon as it could be argued that they are just different versions of the characters

Doom 2016 already put us with a new lore to clear things out.

Quake 3/Live/Champions are basically Id Software's smash bros, it's a self-contained universe that isn't linked to their game series (basically like smash bros' trophy world)

[rawWwRrr]

Just play the game.

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

doom ? story ?

[Skankhunt42]

Doom 3: Electric Boogaloo

I do not like it.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by Skankhunt42:

Doom 3: Electric Boogaloo

I do not like it.

Electric Boogaloo should be Doom 2 lol

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by p30pl3h4t3m3:

doom ? story ?

Yes, Doom has a story but that's more told outside the game than in the gameplay itself