If demons exist in the Doom universe ...

[Ryu Hayabusa]

Satan sure does exist right ? And what about angels and God ? Does the series make references of angels and God ?

[Ryu Hayabusa]

No one ?

[Torx]

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

[Slippery Williams]

I like to think in fiction like this, 'hell' is just another dimension/plane of existance, not a christian/religious concept. Be interesting to think about in the Doom universe if people imagined/depicted what hell was like, like we do with art and literature, or, there wasn't anything like the 'hell' in their culture and when they opened the rifts they just called it hell?

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

but yet, you CAN see some upside-down crosses when riding the stone elevator in "Doom 3", when heading towards the Cyberdemon boss fight.

[Torx]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

but yet, you CAN see some upside-down crosses when riding the stone elevator in "Doom 3", when heading towards the Cyberdemon boss fight.

Well, even the Diablo action RPG universe does have a pentragram. The Crusader in Diablo 3 has also a cross like symbol on their shield. Yet, I'm sure there are no Cyberdemons mentioned in the Holy Bible, nor any Zakarum Curch of Senctuary. :)

This is either lazy art direction, or an intended hint to give a better feeling for the universe.

[DocStrangelove]

It's just a silly action game giving you something badass to shoot at. Some games use nazis, some zombies, some demons. That's all there is to it.

[DocStrangelove]

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

id's current main project is a reboot of Super 3D Noah's Ark

[Torx]

Originally posted by DrStrangelove:

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

id's current main project is a reboot of Super 3D Noah's Ark

Yeah, but if Jeezuz Luv was to shoot with guns. Then Christanity would call us all herectis and would try to kill us all! :0

I think that's one of the reasons why a game like Doom and Diablo, never would make too many refrences to the Bible. It would endanger all our health bars...

[Torx]

Originally posted by RyuHayabusa754:

Satan sure does exist right ?

Actually, now, maybe. Because there is a creepy human like voice talking some times. It even talked to Olivia Pierce if I recall. I don't think that any of the demons we usually shoot in the face, can talk in a human voice.

[Prankman]

Angels at the very least exist in the Doom 2016 universe, because a Seraphim is mentioned in the codex entries granting Doomguy his power. Supposedly, his ability to get ammo/health/power-ups/ect is because he was kicking so much tail against the demon hordes that some angel was like "dude, take some holy strength or whatever and keep doing what you're doing". Whether or not the demons are literal demons in the religious sense, or are closer to an Eldritch thing where its just aliens that people decided to make cults about, is left up in the air. I personally lead towards the former, given how even people like Samuel Hayden, who know more about these things than anybody, still just call them demons. Hayden would've made the argument that they weren't real demons way back when trying to stop you from destroying the Argent Facility if they were anything but actual, literal demons from actual, literal Hell.

Satan is a whole other issue, as any sort of demon leader has never been alluded to in Doom, apart from possibly the original Icon of Sin, which was just sort of a really big demon and never seemed to have anything going for it past that. There's definitely a demon caste system in this one, though, and we had that creepy disembodied voice guy, so who knows?

[AnyBloodyName]

An interesting point!

Hell, as referenced in DOOM, is not an abstract environment that they made up, it's a concept familiar to everyone (even though the concept is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥). So why do they steer away from it to make up all their own monsters, when the biggest boss of all is perhaps the most well known character of all time, Satan. And yes why aren't angels referenced?
I guess the obvious answer is that it would just be too controversial and (especially in the US), too diversive.

Infact one of the most brilliant design decisions made by the original team was not to use human characters as the enemies (unlike in Wolfenstein 3D), but use abstract, made up and obviously not real characters. So when we bludgeon them to smithereens we don't feel bad about it.
I don't know about you but I feel distinctly uneasy about games like Battlefield 1 that make a point about depicting your enemies (fellow humans), as realistically as possible... that just seems sick to me and I'm surprised there isn't a backlash against it.

[Plaxus]

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

I don't think so. Because I never have seen a cross. So this ain't really Christianity.

Sorry, Christianity ain’t that important that one would actually make a game for them. :)

Originally posted by SouldomainTM:

Yeah, but if Jeezuz Luv was to shoot with guns. Then Christanity would call us all herectis and would try to kill us all! :0

I think that's one of the reasons why a game like Doom and Diablo, never would make too many refrences to the Bible. It would endanger all our health bars...

WOW, you're so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ edgy and cool. I wish I was as cool and smart as you!

[Plaxus]

Game devs dont like including religeious symbolism in gaming unless they can make it non-secular, lest they be accused of pushing a religeon. Hell is a concept in many faiths, but its also just a concept of a gathering of all the worst fears man kind can gather into one spot, so it can be used as an explination or vindication for evil in the world.

[Forest]

Of course there's angels we play as one....... A very violent and red angel.......

[DocStrangelove]

To be fair, a Christian shooter where you win by turning the other cheek would be a bit boring