Why are people being over nostalgic and slaming this game for silly things? Thoughts?

[JAMOY]

Well i have been playing this game and i am loving it, growing up with the original dooms i find that this game is a nice modernisation of the original doom franchise. Alot more so than doom 3. However i am struggling to figgure out why people are slaming this for not being like the original doom.

A few of the points that im constantly seeing are:

- Less enemies per arena:

People are basically saying that its ♥♥♥♥ because the original doom had thousands of enemies at once. Which i find quite laugable because when you compare the quality of the AI in classic DOOM to DOOM you will find that the complexity has increased substantially from enemies that seek the player out precisely and just fires in their direction. Going by this, there is no need for as much ai due to the increased challenge and quality of the programming involved. In my opinion the ai are actually quite smart, especially the way the imps vary their tactics from ranged and close quarters.

- Graph1cs.....

People are crying about the graphics... Just dont... the graphics are really nice but it doesnt make the game

- People are saying its nothing like the original DOOM

This is perhaps the most stupid thing people are arguing. People are so overly nostalgic that it could actually be damaging for the game. If you seriously just want thousands of basic AI to shoot with no modern mechanics included and very basic environment design then go find Dr Emmet Brown and go back in time to when doom was released. If this game was a HD Texture pack of the original doom i think people would slam it even more.

- Box Art?

Who gives a damn?


This may come of as a bit of a rant, but i dont understand how cancerous nostalgia is nowadays. This is the sort of ♥♥♥♥ that is probably putting our mighty lord and saviour Gabe Newell, from making half life 3. I could pick at peoples complaints all day, being a games development student and passionate games developer, the messages im getting are that people think making games is easy and requires no effort?

So far i give this game a good 4 / 5 stars. Good quality game, except from the annoying parkour system sometimes letting me fall to my death and annoying basterding sheild grunts.

What are other peoples thoughts on the matter?

[TakenStew22]

+1. I hate nostalgic fanboys. I actually find this game to be very much similar to the originals, not some Call of Duty or Halo clone. No reloading, fast-paced, lots of gore, no story in your face, and riping and tearing demons apart.

[Skankhunt42]

Yes, my 1993-me, when being confronted with Doom and Doom (2016), would prefer the 2016 version. ;)

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by TakenStew22:

+1. I hate nostalgic fanboys.

Nostalgic fanboy here. Bury the hate. It ain't all of us. Generalization is what's at fault which includes that statement of yours.

There's nothing wrong with the game other than what a vocal minority of players believe to be showstopper problems, which aren't. There are many videos and screenshots and reviews that show the game is not just fine but great. Are there some rough edges? Of course, much like every other game on the market. Given time, the drama will disappear with whatever the next big game release will be.

[TakenStew22]

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:

Originally posted by TakenStew22:

+1. I hate nostalgic fanboys.

Nostalgic fanboy here. Bury the hate. It ain't all of us. Generalization is what's at fault which includes that statement of yours.

There's nothing wrong with the game other than what a vocal minority of players believe to be showstopper problems, which aren't. There are many videos and screenshots and reviews that show the game is not just fine but great. Are there some rough edges? Of course, much like every other game on the market. Given time, the drama will disappear with whatever the next big game release will be.

Oh, I didn't mean the good side of nostalga (don't worry, I kind of am one too). I meant the bad side where people always hate on a new reboot or sequel and think that it should have been just like the original. In my eyes the original Dooms will always be the best, but I still love Doom (2016) to death.

[geographyman]

I compare the complains about this reboot of DOOM to those about the reboot of Tomb Raider. The complainers, realizing it or not, are saying that a past game they like should never be done again. It's like saying that a movie made in the 1970s should never be redone, ever. I used to think like this but changed my mine over time. I mean, I liked System Shock 2, and have it now, but to play it now would bore me. OP, you won't change the mines of diehard nostalgic fans of this or any other game. It's the way some people are wired.

[JAMOY]

Originally posted by TakenStew22:

+1. I hate nostalgic fanboys. I actually find this game to be very much similar to the originals, not some Call of Duty or Halo clone. No reloading, fast-paced, lots of gore, no story in your face, and riping and tearing demons apart.

Indeed, its kinda like feminists and feminazis when it comes to nostalgics, you got dem nostalginazis aswell. They are ruining the industry with their overambitious expectations. This game is exactly as you say. Christ there is only like 3 characters in the game so yea the story is on the downlow.

Originally posted by geographyman:

I compare the complains about this reboot of DOOM to those about the reboot of Tomb Raider. The complainers, realizing it or not, are saying that a past game they like should never be done again. It's like saying that a movie made in the 1970s should never be redone, ever. I used to think like this but changed my mine over time. I mean, I liked System Shock 2, and have it now, but to play it now would bore me. OP, you won't change the mines of diehard nostalgic fans of this or any other game. It's the way some people are wired.

And yes, i wont change their minds, i cant stop people being close minded. Ive never been one for complaining much about sequels and remakes, i am grateful for most of them. Tomb Raider was actually quite good. I just dont know why they want the old games exactly how they are. That would be boring as ♥♥♥♥, there will be nothing new!

[Phoenix]

You want to talk nostalgia... I've played all the Doom games since the original. I'm at the nostalgia level of making a multiplayer mod that replicates Doom1/2's combat inside Quake 3 - as well as the combat from Quake 1, Quake 2, and (very loosely) Wolfenstein 3D. You can't get much more nostalgia than that unless you're doing source ports.

That being said, I like Doom 3 for what it is, and I like this game for what it is. Sure, there's things I'd do different, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let my nostalgia purism ruin the whole game for me. The truth is, you simply can't replicate Doom's original gameplay in a modern shooter. The inclusion of the Classic Maps with this game showcases just why this is: The old simplistic level design clashes completely with the more modern enemy models and AI. I take that and imagine the flip-side: Modern environment detail with old AI and monster behavior. You just can't make it mesh no matter how you try.

For those wanting an updated Doom experience, the Doomsday engine with model and graphics packs are what you want if you're looking for that. I still play the originals "as-is" because that's how I want to remember them: In all their 2.5D sprite-based glory.

[Ultimate Gattai]

I think this is the perfect modernization of Doom, my only gripe with it is that it's chock full of technical issues.

[Mr_Faorry]

I'd say the people saying it's nothing like the original Doom are ones who only played doom 3, which wasn't a Doom game.

[DogMeat]

You should have seen this place pre-release.

[simon]

Originally posted by Death_Fairy:

I'd say the people saying it's nothing like the original Doom are ones who only played doom 3, which wasn't a Doom game.

This is incorrect. A doom game is not a game with skulls on the doors and demons. Its about the game play and as has already be stated in this thread, by the OP, the game play is different.

Its simple. Its not Doom because the game is fundamentally different from the originals. I dont think its a bad game, it looks good, the player movement is fluid and its a lot of fun. But its not doom because its an arena shooter which Doom 1 and 2 are not.

Ive played Doom in all its forms from the start and i have played for 1000's of hours. This version of the game i have played for only a few hours because it the same mechanic over and over. Enter space, hit trigger, monsters spawn, kill move on. The imagination of the first games has gone. There are no traps. There are no empty rooms with just a weapon in the middle. You want the gun but you know the ♥♥♥♥ is gonna hit the fan if you take it. This is a similar function as in the new version but its mixed in with other types of combat which add interest and re-playability.

The new Doom is a one trick pony and it gets repetitive really fast.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Death_Fairy:

I'd say the people saying it's nothing like the original Doom are ones who only played doom 3, which wasn't a Doom game.

This is incorrect. A doom game is not a game with skulls on the doors and demons. Its about the game play and as has already be stated in this thread, by the OP, the game play is different.

Its simple. Its not Doom because the game is fundamentally different from the originals. I dont think its a bad game, it looks good, the player movement is fluid and its a lot of fun. But its not doom because its an arena shooter which Doom 1 and 2 are not.

Ive played Doom in all its forms from the start and i have played for 1000's of hours. This version of the game i have played for only a few hours because it the same mechanic over and over. Enter space, hit trigger, monsters spawn, kill move on. The imagination of the first games has gone. There are no traps. There are no empty rooms with just a weapon in the middle. You want the gun but you know the ♥♥♥♥ is gonna hit the fan if you take it. This is a similar function as in the new version but its mixed in with other types of combat which add interest and re-playability.

The new Doom is a one trick pony and it gets repetitive really fast.

I just assumed that because I've seen a bunch of people saying it's not enough like that survival horror game that got dooms name because that's all they've played.

[simon]

Originally posted by Death_Fairy:

Originally posted by simon:

This is incorrect. A doom game is not a game with skulls on the doors and demons. Its about the game play and as has already be stated in this thread, by the OP, the game play is different.

Its simple. Its not Doom because the game is fundamentally different from the originals. I dont think its a bad game, it looks good, the player movement is fluid and its a lot of fun. But its not doom because its an arena shooter which Doom 1 and 2 are not.

Ive played Doom in all its forms from the start and i have played for 1000's of hours. This version of the game i have played for only a few hours because it the same mechanic over and over. Enter space, hit trigger, monsters spawn, kill move on. The imagination of the first games has gone. There are no traps. There are no empty rooms with just a weapon in the middle. You want the gun but you know the ♥♥♥♥ is gonna hit the fan if you take it. This is a similar function as in the new version but its mixed in with other types of combat which add interest and re-playability.

The new Doom is a one trick pony and it gets repetitive really fast.

I just assumed that because I've seen a bunch of people saying it's not enough like that survival horror game that got dooms name because that's all they've played.

You are right there are a few people who only played Doom3 that dont like it and i will agree that the new version of Doom is much more like the originals than Doom 3 was.

[MrElix3r]

To this day I still make mods and maps for Doom. I was born in 88 and started Doomin in 93. Doom is by far the most played game I've ever played, and Doom '16 is fantastic. The people that say and think the original had "thousands" of monsters never played it, don't know about it, and probably think autorun was in Vanilla Doom.

They are what you'd call, Wanksters.

[Skankhunt42]

Originally posted by Fle$h§420§:

To this day I still make mods and maps for Doom. I was born in 88 and started Doomin in 93. Doom is by far the most played game I've ever played, and Doom '16 is fantastic. The people that say and think the original had "thousands" of monsters never played it, don't know about it, and probably think autorun was in Vanilla Doom.

They are what you'd call, Wanksters.

pretty much