Ultra-Violence VS Nightmare?

[Prankman]

So, I just purchased this and am wondering which difficulty I should start off with? Should I go in blind for Nightmare or test the waters with Ultra-Violence first? For reference, I played Wolfenstein The New Order on Uber without too much trouble, even if I found a few bits of it to be a little on the aggrivating side (the damn richochet shotgunners...).

[Salamand3r-]

Start in UV until you get used to the motion and feel of the game.

It takes a few moments to really get into the flow, and it can be difficult to nail it if messing up gets you one-hit-killed.

[SWORDLION]

Uber difficulty in Wolfenstein is a piece of cake compared to Nightmare.I started in Nightmare and finished first.I recommend you nightmare, of course you will die A LOT!

[Dyspution]

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

Start in UV until you get used to the motion and feel of the game.

It takes a few moments to really get into the flow, and it can be difficult to nail it if messing up gets you one-hit-killed.

This. I played through on HMP first and jumped the Nightmare. UV is perfect, imo. Nightmare is for those who are masochistic. I'm playing through nightmare now and getting destroyed. It's fun. lol

[Prankman]

Originally posted by chronometer:

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

Start in UV until you get used to the motion and feel of the game.

It takes a few moments to really get into the flow, and it can be difficult to nail it if messing up gets you one-hit-killed.

This. I played through on HMP first and jumped the Nightmare. UV is perfect, imo. Nightmare is for those who are masochistic. I'm playing through nightmare now and getting destroyed. It's fun. lol

What's the actual difference between UV and Nightmare? I know the enemies deal way more damage, pick-ups give less health and armor and removes checkpoints in levels, if what I've read is correct. Is there anything else? Are enemies are in different places? Do more of them spawn?

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Transparent Spirit Man:

Originally posted by chronometer:

This. I played through on HMP first and jumped the Nightmare. UV is perfect, imo. Nightmare is for those who are masochistic. I'm playing through nightmare now and getting destroyed. It's fun. lol

What's the actual difference between UV and Nightmare? I know the enemies deal way more damage, pick-ups give less health and armor and removes checkpoints in levels, if what I've read is correct. Is there anything else? Are enemies are in different places? Do more of them spawn?

Nightmare doesn't remove checkpoints, that's Ultra Nightmare.

Everything else is correct though. I don't really tend to count enemies, but the density does seem a bit higher in Nightmare than UV. This may lead to them being in different locations, but I don't remember any extra scripted spawns in new locations.

[Jodeth]

Nightmare just makes enemies do more damage. The enemy count isn't changed, from what I've seen. Nightmare can be tough, but nowhere near Dark Souls level of tough, so feel free to start on Nightmare if you like a challenge.

[jordyexists]

Nightmare is VERY punishing and expects you to do everything perfectly. It does not increase the enemy count or placements, but it does vastly increase their damage and decrease the amount of health and armor pickups give you, meaning, even at full health, you're almost always 1 to 2 hits away from dying.

I would recommend starting out on UV so that you can at least learn the mechanics of the gameplay before you dive in nightmare. Worst case scenario you finish the UV campaign quickly and decide to try it again on a higher difficulty (or, if you're really massochistic, jump right into Ultra Nightmare, which is Nightmare but with perma-death.)

[Hinsonator]

Originally posted by KT JoDETH:

Nightmare just makes enemies do more damage. The enemy count isn't changed, from what I've seen. Nightmare can be tough, but nowhere near Dark Souls level of tough, so feel free to start on Nightmare if you like a challenge.

Although unlike DS the challenge is more or less fair.

[Prankman]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Originally posted by KT JoDETH:

Nightmare just makes enemies do more damage. The enemy count isn't changed, from what I've seen. Nightmare can be tough, but nowhere near Dark Souls level of tough, so feel free to start on Nightmare if you like a challenge.

Although unlike DS the challenge is more or less fair.

I feel like DS difficulty fluctuates between fair and cheap depending on its mood at any given time. Knight Artorias is one of my favorite boss battles of all time, and most of the early areas are pretty good, but then you get to the midway point and it all goes straight to hell. I don't think I've ever dealt with anything quite as brutally unfair as the Bed of Chaos, and Capra Demon was literally just an RNG crapshoot. And don't get me started on the Duke's Archives or the Tomb of the Giants...

In any case, I appreciate the advice! I've only just recently started playing the Doom series and am not familiar with a lot of the finer details yet. I might start out on UV and then do a second playthrough on NM. I'd like to be able to at least take a handful of hits. I've been playing a lot of Doom 3 lately, which I'm well aware is closer to System Shock and Half-Life than Doom, but I feel like the difficulty in 3's UV is pretty much where I like it. I can take a few hits without being totally screwed, but I can still die easily if I do something silly like let a Hell Knight fireball me.

My biggest question at this point would be just how overpowered you become by the end-game. I've already seen how crazy some of the upgrades are, Is UV still reasonably challenging even after getting fully decked out?

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Prankman:

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Although unlike DS the challenge is more or less fair.

I feel like DS difficulty fluctuates between fair and cheap depending on its mood at any given time. Knight Artorias is one of my favorite boss battles of all time, and most of the early areas are pretty good, but then you get to the midway point and it all goes straight to hell. I don't think I've ever dealt with anything quite as brutally unfair as the Bed of Chaos, and Capra Demon was literally just an RNG crapshoot. And don't get me started on the Duke's Archives or the Tomb of the Giants...

In any case, I appreciate the advice! I've only just recently started playing the Doom series and am not familiar with a lot of the finer details yet. I might start out on UV and then do a second playthrough on NM. I'd like to be able to at least take a handful of hits. I've been playing a lot of Doom 3 lately, which I'm well aware is closer to System Shock and Half-Life than Doom, but I feel like the difficulty in 3's UV is pretty much where I like it. I can take a few hits without being totally screwed, but I can still die easily if I do something silly like let a Hell Knight fireball me.

My biggest question at this point would be just how overpowered you become by the end-game. I've already seen how crazy some of the upgrades are, Is UV still reasonably challenging even after getting fully decked out?

UV does get kind of easy towards the end, if you actively seek out secrets and max your upgrades.

It still gets easier even if you don't, but not lolroflstompfaceroll!1!!! easy.

[xCore]

Originally posted by Prankman:

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Although unlike DS the challenge is more or less fair.

I feel like DS difficulty fluctuates between fair and cheap depending on its mood at any given time. Knight Artorias is one of my favorite boss battles of all time, and most of the early areas are pretty good, but then you get to the midway point and it all goes straight to hell. I don't think I've ever dealt with anything quite as brutally unfair as the Bed of Chaos, and Capra Demon was literally just an RNG crapshoot. And don't get me started on the Duke's Archives or the Tomb of the Giants...

In any case, I appreciate the advice! I've only just recently started playing the Doom series and am not familiar with a lot of the finer details yet. I might start out on UV and then do a second playthrough on NM. I'd like to be able to at least take a handful of hits. I've been playing a lot of Doom 3 lately, which I'm well aware is closer to System Shock and Half-Life than Doom, but I feel like the difficulty in 3's UV is pretty much where I like it. I can take a few hits without being totally screwed, but I can still die easily if I do something silly like let a Hell Knight fireball me.

My biggest question at this point would be just how overpowered you become by the end-game. I've already seen how crazy some of the upgrades are, Is UV still reasonably challenging even after getting fully decked out?

DS Offtopic:
Bed of chaos can't even hurt you, if you are fast enough. And the patterns are very simple so you should figure out quickly how you have to walk to not get hit. Long range chars shouldn't have any problem.
Capra demon is quite easy if you just evade the double swing and block the rest. Just have to kill the dogs fast. If things get too close walk up stairs, drop, and repeat.
Duke's Archive was quite a lovely area imo. And for the Tomb of giants you only have to realize that you probably have picked up this lamp thing before. The skeleton dogs are one of the hardest enemy types but still doable if you apple the right combat tactics. (Also there's a wonderful humanity farming spot towards the end ;))

Source: Played through the game solo several times.

[Pigeons555]

Nightmare is hardest at the beginning

The most notable aspects of Nightmare are that Imps do 45 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage with their basic fireball. ♥♥♥♥ hurts. Also Barons of Hell do 97 damage with their balls

Most demons have godlike tracking on Nightmare and it's not uncommon to see fireballs being hurled from out of your LoS. Hell Knights also pathfind to cut you off.

I'm pretty sure the amount of enemies is the same per difficulty, but Nightmare enemies are slightly tankier. Slightly.


I recommend you start on Nightmare, that's what I went with and you can't get better at the game unless you challenge yourself. Though it can get brutal at times, it eventually will get better. I really only had problems at the Spiderdemon fight my first time.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

i'd say Ultra-Nightmare is exactly the same as Hardcore Difficulty from "Dead Space 2", where if you die, you start all the way from the very beginning of the game.

[LaLaN00b]

Playing on Nightmare means everythings kills you in 1 or 2 hits - at least in the beginning. You will be forced to learn to play every single fight almost perfect. If you like that: go for it. Although I'd recommend UV for a first playthrough.

[General Winter]

play nightmare, these kids make it sound harder then it sounds

all you need to know is JUST KEEP MOVING, a static target is easy prey for demons

don't be that guy be DOOM GUY


ultra nightmare requires perfection because you don't have infinite lives so if you ♥♥♥♥ up their (which you'll do a decent amount), you'll have to start from square 1, which i personal don't find fun