I bought disc wtf with 53 gig download

[rodbarker007]

This is total BS from Bethesda and id , this is killing my connection and will take 2 days to download .

Its the very reason I bought the disc in the first place so I didnt have to dl such a huge amount and kill the internet access to my entire family because of it , pissed of to say the least and I would never have bought it if I had of known .

Its idiotic to release a hard copy of the game that has no game data on it , this is just sooooo wrong on so many levels .

[Guz]

I have not read all comments yet, but, jeez. I had no idea people had so lousy connections. I still stand by what I wrote before, in general, but I agree with you that not many would like to wait 1 week for a game to dl. lol.

I have a pretty lousy connection at home (because I'm cheap) it's a 12/12 fiber. It's not lightning speed by any means but for my needs at home, it's more then enough. Most of the people I know couldn't even imagine having anything below 100/100 or even 200/200.

On the other hand, currently I have 3 computers at home, this - the gaming PC, and 2 macs where I do pretty much all the work. So if something take an hour or two to dl, it really doesn't matter for me.

Really big files, like original footage or PS/AE/PP project stuff I transfer by other means. Mostly I leave that ♥♥♥♥ at work or keep it on a server.

[Fox]

Yeah this is a problem. I have quite fast internet that is about 25MB download from steam but my main issue is download caps from the ISP. Its crazy to think that downloading just a few new games takes up so much of my cap. I think the cap is about 300gb for the month which is terrible. I don't even try to watch much 4k content on youtube because of it. It's pretty much a waste of time to buy a physical copy unless you can get get it for cheaper.

[Guz]

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

You need a 200-300 mbit connection to match DVD and bluray read speeds, so when I pay more than 80 dollars for a collectors edition for a game, I demand the game is actually in the box, as a full copy. They should begin making bluray versions of games already, its not like a bluray day costs much, probably less than the game you bought with a bluray disk with the game data on it. I could get 300mbit Internet here, but even my 120mbit right now is not one I actually use fully much, its only these few times when I install a major game.

But not everyone has as much hard disk space as me and need to uninstall some of these 50gb games to make room for other games. Then you got a 7 day wait again... good times, right? Sure worth it to spend 120 dollars on Doom and find they did not even bother to give you the full game on discs?

In my opinion, optical media is pretty much a relic.

I collect videogames (old mint ones, not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kind lol) for the NTSC PS1 as a hobby and have been doing it for several years. Those discs are pretty much the only discs I own nowadays. Before I had alot of music too, but once we entered the "ipod-age", I quickly understood that this was just a waste of space. Ok, to be fair, there are some obscure music you will have a hard time to find online (if it's even possible), but 98% is there.

And, since I do what I do, and live where I live, this philosophy works excellent. In my last two gaming PCs I didn't even bother with a optical drive. Thank you lord you took of your precious time to invent huge flashdrives. =)

Optical media, TODAY, is more for nostalgia, or collectors. There is not much practical use for it, at least for me and the peeps I know. I think pretty much everyone I know have thrown away their old cd's etc.

And no, why the hell would I want a Blu-Ray thing in my computer, its just a slightly better CD. But it still stink. Flash storage and cloud storage is the future. It's just bad for you that happen to live in countries where high speed internet are really expensive and/or hard to get.

[Caldor]

Originalmente postado por MokeyBones:

Yeah this is a problem. I have quite fast internet that is about 25MB download from steam but my main issue is download caps from the ISP. Its crazy to think that downloading just a few new games takes up so much of my cap. I think the cap is about 300gb for the month which is terrible. I don't even try to watch much 4k content on youtube because of it. It's pretty much a waste of time to buy a physicial copy unless you can get get it for cheaper.

Yeah, you can download two games and maybe watch two series on Netflix in 720-1080p and its gone. The games using about 50gb each, and a series of some 15-30 hours. Not completely sure, but 300gb does not exactly seem like a lot these days.

My ISP has some kind of limit, but I am pretty sure its a terabyte or more. Its mainly there to avoid non-commercial people to just download and upload at full speed 24/7.

[Caldor]

Originalmente postado por Guz:

I have not read all comments yet, but, jeez. I had no idea people had so lousy connections. I still stand by what I wrote before, in general, but I agree with you that not many would like to wait 1 week for a game to dl. lol.

I have a pretty lousy connection at home (because I'm cheap) it's a 12/12 fiber. It's not lightning speed by any means but for my needs at home, it's more then enough. Most of the people I know couldn't even imagine having anything below 100/100 or even 200/200.

On the other hand, currently I have 3 computers at home, this - the gaming PC, and 2 macs where I do pretty much all the work. So if something take an hour or two to dl, it really doesn't matter for me.

Really big files, like original footage or PS/AE/PP project stuff I transfer by other means. Mostly I leave that ♥♥♥♥ at work or keep it on a server.

So say your Doom game got its files corrupted and you had to reinstall the game? Sounds like it would take you about 1-3 days? Does it then not seem worth it for the publishers to make the collectors edition version that costs 120 dollars, one that contains a full copy? Does not seem fair to me that they make such a release without including an actual copy of the game. I think EA might have done that as well, but they do seem to make sure that the title says digital download version or something like that in such collector editions, not just on the back of the box or something.

[jimtendo32]

The size of the download or how many discs are in the box isn't even mentioned on the back,it's only till recently some have decided to stop putting ANY files for the game on their physical copies at all, just a middleware Client installer and a code to use, I think it should be against the law to a) not provide the majority of the "physical" product if you're selling one, ie. make use of Blu-Ray. no more 1 to 4-7 DVD nonsense please, just 1 blu-ray for 50GB games. But whatever....or B) simpler..disclose on the box or in online shop info how much needs to be downloaded when you write your description of the game and specifications: how much HDD space is required, let people know how many discs are in there, what capacity they hold, ffs, it's just ignorant to put this product on shelves and not expect people to have a problem with how it was sold.

[Guz]

My intention is not to sound lika a Ahole now, but "corrupted" come on. I can't even remember my last time I installed something that got corrupted. It was probobly 2 or 3 computers ago or something =)

I don't buy that argument.

I understand the dialemma with slow speed tho. But there is really not much to do about it, except, mooooove! =D

EDIT: Sorry, if it isn't saying it on the box, that it's not a complete install I mean, thats pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ of them. Bethesda that is. Not iD. ;)

Devs - Publ - keep those apart now.

[Caldor]

Originalmente postado por Guz:

My intention is not to sound lika a Ahole now, but "corrupted" come on. I can't even remember my last time I installed something that got corrupted. It was probobly 2 or 3 computers ago or something =)

I don't buy that argument.

I understand the dialemma with slow speed tho. But there is really not much to do about it, except, mooooove! =D

EDIT: Sorry, if it isn't saying it on the box, that it's not a complete install I mean, thats pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ of them. Bethesda that is. Not iD. ;)

Devs - Publ - keep those apart now.

Regarding the corrupted files argument, sure its rare it happens, but the more likely thing would be that you run out of space and need to uninstall it, then next week they release some awesome patch and you find yourself in need to install it again. Whatever the reason, it would suck having to download that much, especially if you paid 120 dollars for a physical collectors edition of the game.

As far as I can tell, the Collectors Edition does not make it clear at all. It might say so on the back of the box, but on Bethesdas own website it even says the game is in the box. I linked it earlier, cuz the page is still up. Maybe some online stores make sure to point out that you only have a 4.7gb DVD in the box, and the game then requires more than 50gb to download. That just does not seem right to me.

[Salamand3r-]

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

Originalmente postado por Samael:

At 5mb / sec it would take approx 24 hours to download. You need to have something 7 times worst for it to takes 7 days. Its still a lot of time.

5mb per sec is a 50mbit connection. I am referring to a 5mbit connection...

Don't want to speak for Samael, but he didn't capitalize the "b", indicating that he too was referring to mb/s, not mB/s.

Since, at 5mb/s, his 24 hour figure stands. At 5mB/s, Doom should take about 2 hours.

[Caldor]

Originalmente postado por Salamand3r:

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

5mb per sec is a 50mbit connection. I am referring to a 5mbit connection...

Don't want to speak for Samael, but he didn't capitalize the "b", indicating that he too was referring to mb/s, not mB/s.

Since, at 5mb/s, his 24 hour figure stands. At 5mB/s, Doom should take about 2 hours.

Seems I did calculate it wrongly, but with a 50mbit connection it does not take 2 hours, but almost 3,5 hours to download, again, if you get full speed the whole time. With a 5mbit connection it then becomes a 30 hour download at max download speed the whole time.

On top of this, some of them have less than the 5mbit connection. With 2mbit it would take 3-4 days. Either way, I do not want to wait 30 hours for a download mainly due to the publisher not including a copy of the game in the package. Unless you let the computer keep running all night and day, its likely to be a 2-3 day download or more.

I would probably just keep it running night and day, but its still something I rarely want to have to do and streaming, youtube and other downloads during that time, even online play, probably best to avoid.

[Samael]

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

Originalmente postado por Samael:

At 5mb / sec it would take approx 24 hours to download. You need to have something 7 times worst for it to takes 7 days. Its still a lot of time.

5mb per sec is a 50mbit connection. I am referring to a 5mbit connection...

Dude when you type 5Mb or 5mb or 5mbps you are talking about megabits. A megabyte you type with capital letters like this. 5MB or MBps MB/s. Like im scared right now. You don't even know that ?

A 5 megabits connection is 5 divided by 8 to know the megabyte you do a second. In this case its 625KB/s. So 24 hours to download the game.

A 5 Megabytes connection would download this game a lot faster. 5MB/s is a 40Megabits connection.

Megabyte (MB) or Megabyte per second (MBps, MB/s)
Megabit (Mb) or Megabit per second (Mbps, Mb/s)

[nakoda]

Originalmente postado por Samael:

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

5mb per sec is a 50mbit connection. I am referring to a 5mbit connection...

Dude when you type 5Mb or 5mb or 5mbps you are talking about megabits. A megabyte you type with capital letters like this. 5MB or MBps MB/s. Like im scared right now. You don't even know that ?

A 5 megabits connection is 5 divided by 8 to know the megabyte you do a second. In this case its 625KB/s. So 24 hours to download the game.

A 5 Megabytes connection would download this game a lot faster. 5MB/s is a 40Megabits connection.

Megabyte (MB) or Megabyte per second (MBps, MB/s)
Megabit (Mb) or Megabit per second (Mbps, Mb/s)

b-b-but his c-collector's ed-dition!

[Caldor]

Originalmente postado por Samael:

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

5mb per sec is a 50mbit connection. I am referring to a 5mbit connection...

Dude when you type 5Mb or 5mb or 5mbps you are talking about megabits. A megabyte you type with capital letters like this. 5MB or MBps MB/s. Like im scared right now. You don't even know that ?

A 5 megabits connection is 5 divided by 8 to know the megabyte you do a second. In this case its 625KB/s. So 24 hours to download the game.

A 5 Megabytes connection would download this game a lot faster. 5MB/s is a 40Megabits connection.

Megabyte (MB) or Megabyte per second (MBps, MB/s)
Megabit (Mb) or Megabit per second (Mbps, Mb/s)

Since you did not seem to notice, I write mbit to make the distinction clear.

Also its divided by 8 in theory. When you actually use it, the data transmision has an overhead, making it so that with a 50mbit connection, you can expect 5MB per sec in download speed.

You think the Internet can just send each and every package transitted over the Internet with ONLY the data you need on your computer?

On top of that, you seem to know it takes 8 bit to make a byte, but ignore how it takes 1024 byte to make a kilobyte and 1024 kilobyte to make a megabyte?

[nakoda]

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

Originalmente postado por Samael:

Dude when you type 5Mb or 5mb or 5mbps you are talking about megabits. A megabyte you type with capital letters like this. 5MB or MBps MB/s. Like im scared right now. You don't even know that ?

A 5 megabits connection is 5 divided by 8 to know the megabyte you do a second. In this case its 625KB/s. So 24 hours to download the game.

A 5 Megabytes connection would download this game a lot faster. 5MB/s is a 40Megabits connection.

Megabyte (MB) or Megabyte per second (MBps, MB/s)
Megabit (Mb) or Megabit per second (Mbps, Mb/s)

Since you did not seem to notice, I write mbit to make the distinction clear.

Also its divided by 8 in theory. When you actually use it, the data transmision has an overhead, making it so that with a 50mbit connection, you can expect 5MB per sec in download speed.

You think the Internet can just send each and every package transitted over the Internet with ONLY the data you need on your computer?

On top of that, you seem to know it takes 8 bit to make a byte, but ignore how it takes 1024 byte to make a kilobyte and 1024 kilobyte to make a megabyte?

Industry standards, Caldor, industry standards. Let me spell out what Samael was telling you ...

Mbps = megabits per second.
MB/s Megabytes per second.

Mega(b)it = small 'b' to indicate the smaller unit of measurement.
Mega(B)yte = capital "B" to indicate the larger unit of measurement.

And where are you getting that Samael doesn't know how to add bits, bytes, or kilobytes?

[nakoda]

Originalmente postado por Caldor:

Also its divided by 8 in theory. When you actually use it, the data transmision has an overhead, making it so that with a 50mbit connection, you can expect 5MB per sec in download speed.

You think the Internet can just send each and every package transitted over the Internet with ONLY the data you need on your computer?

It's not a theory. It's math. Literal, straightforward, math.

When you say you work in the industry ... you must be a goon spoon or cable puller, because I wouldn't hire you for anything that involves ... well any sort of intelligence.